The Interview with A Dylan

At last! Complete, Full, version!

Credit goes to Bill Ockam

Finally, on some whim, Bill Ockham decided to post the long awaited, full “Dylan Behind Blackjack Pizza interview” complete with Brooks Brown asking Dylan questions. Yes, folks, now we no longer have to string together pixelated video snippets of the interview and imagine (or attempt lip reading to suss out) exactly what Dylan was saying. And now we don’t have to resort to merging the incomplete audio version of Brooks and Dylan’s Q and A with those disjointed, fuzzy, video clips as was done a few months back to arrive at semi-complete satisfaction at seeing this interview. Yes, now, finally, we have the entire thing in all it’s near HD crystal clearness (well for 90s quality) with Dylan finishing his tale of how he and Zack precociously pranked their favorite theatre teacher Mrs. Caruthers (affectionately known as “Mrs. C”) while prepping the stage and got her to utter a variety of expletives in her frustration.

Speaking of expletives, I was thoroughly amused at when Brooks asked Dylan what swear words Mrs. C used “exactly” while “bitching out the entire cast in the dressing room”, Dylan’s voice goes up a slight octave as he looks a way in thought and considers his words carefully “Umm m… (long pause)….I don’t exactly remember. She didn’t use all the cuss words”. To me, it’s so obvious that Dylan was a tad to sheepishly embarrassed to flat out offer up this information since he knew Mrs. C was eventually going to see him repeating back her swears on the final Frankenstein Roast video to her – that is until Brooks interrupts him and starts blatantly flings out a variety of swear words at him “DAMN” “HELL” “SHIT” and ah, yes! now it’s all coming back to him (as if it was ever that vague in the first place hahaha!) – Dylan (suddenly) remembers in agreement and – ah, well, the hell – repeats back said swear words directly at Brooks and deadpan to the camera). “And… (Dylan muses a tad.. no. definitely no “F*CK” was said) …you..you could hear it from the auditorium.” Brooks laughs amusedly “that was good” he comments. Dylan smiles and smiles and rejoins “so…that was pretty dumb”.
Admittedly, I’m so pleased that we got to see this entire interview (Ockham mentioned to me that this is it for the Blackjack Interview; there aren’t any more questions in this snippet). Glimpsing the bashfulness of Dylan as just an ordinary boy is so bittersweet. It is even more abundantly apparent to me how difficult it has been for his close friends and family to reconcile how he ended up committing the atrocity that chose to partaken in…And it’s hard to fathom that it was merely only roughly 6+ months after this interview.

Ockham also stated in his YT Live last evening that there are other snippets of Dylan on the video tape. Including an innocuous, mundane snippet of Dylan killin’ it eating some Chile’s food. And of course, we all would want to see all of this stuff, wouldn’t we? Not really because it’s gratuitous but because we have to see this extraordinarily ordinary stuff simply because it helps us to process the banality that is evil. That if even someone like Dylan is capable of doing such a horrible thing – then, really, we all are capable, aren’t we? We are all one and the same. It’s important to understand this, to own Dylan and Eric as ourselves, as we all have our own personal, private, dark struggles in life. And ultimately it is all about choices that is the difference. In my opinion, this ‘in the trenches’ approach of identification and relatability is key to prevention.

Howard Center Presentation

Episode 016 – SEPTEMBER 26, 2018 – Burlington, VA

Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two gunmen responsible for the Columbine High School shootings of April 20, 1999 in Littleton, Colorado. Dylan and his friend killed twelve students and a teacher, and wounded more than twenty others before taking their own lives.

Klebold’s talk was followed by a Q & A and a panel discussion with Colchester School District Superintendent Amy Minor, South Burlington Police Chief Trevor Whipple, Howard Center Board of Trustees member Kelly DeForge, and Director of Howard Center’s Baird School and INCLUSION Program Kristie Reed. The discussion will be moderated by Charlotte McCorkel, Howard Center Director of Project Integration. [Source]

Crawdads, Frogs, and Leeches, Oh My!

One afternoon, Dylan, age 10, came running back from the creek with a pile of leeches. Normally unflappable, Klebold’s mother was disgusted by her son’s blood-sucking treasures; Dylan loved it, the fun of grossing out Mom.


Exorcising the pain, US News, 5/2/99

One summer afternoon, when Dylan was about eight, we went on a picnic with Judy Brown and her two boys. The kids were catching crayfish in the creek, and Dylan lost his balance on the slippery rocks and fell into the shallow water with a splash. He emerged unhurt but furious: livid about the pratfall, and even angrier that everyone else had laughed. We tried to help him to see the humor in it—Byron would likely have hammed it up further by taking an elaborate bow—but Dylan went to the car and refused to speak to anyone until he felt able to face the world again. The reaction seemed outsized, but it only cemented what we already knew: Dylan felt embarrassment more acutely than other kids did. — Sue Klebold – A Mother’s Reckoning


We also discovered the joys of chasing crawdads at the creek near my house. Dylan would come over, and we’d grab a couple of jars and head down to the creek. When we’d caught a few crawdads, we’d put them in our terrarium and keep them for a few weeks. Sometimes our moms would take us to the park together; the adults would sit on benches and talk while Dylan and I chased frogs.
Brooks Brown – No Easy Answers


Judy [Brown] first saw him blow when he was eight or nine. They had driven down to a creek bed for a typical adventure. Sue Klebold had come along-horrified by all the mud, but bearing it to bond with her boy. Officially, it was a crawdad hunt, but they were always on the lookout for frogs or tadpoles or anything that might slither by. Sue fretted about bacteria, hectoring the boys to behave and keep clean.

They’d brought a big bucket to haul the crawdads home, but came back up the hillside with nothing to show. Then one of the boys slogged out of the creek with a leech attached to his leg. The kids all went delirious. They plopped the leech into the frog jar – a mayonnaise bottle with holes punched in the lid – and watched it incessantly. They had a picnic lunch and then ran back for more fun in the creek. The water was only a foot deep, but too murky for them to see the bottom. Dylan’s tennis shoes squished down into the glop. All the boys were slipping around, but Dylan took a nastier slide. He wheeled his arms wildly to catch himself, lost the battle, and smacked down on his butt. His shorts were soaked instantly; dank black water splashed his clean T-shirt. Brooks and his brother, Aaron, howled; Dylan went ballistic.

“Stop!” he screamed. “Stop laughing at me! Stop! Stoooooooooooooooooooooop!”

The laughing ended abruptly. Brooks and Aaron were a little alarmed. They had never seen a kid freak out like that. Judy rushed over to comfort Dylan, but he was inconsolable. Everybody was silent now, but Dylan kept screaming for them to stop.

Sue grabbed him by the wrist and whisked him away. It took her several minutes to calm him down.
–Dave Cullen – Cullenbine

PSA: Questions

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So, again, I am more likely to answer/address questions via post comments. If you have something personal you’d like to message me about, use the Feedback for private messages.

Anyway, thanks to all of you that submitted questions recently! I will try to address them as timely as I can.

– E-C

Detail shots from the theater vid

I noticed how intensely Dylan was conversing with Mrs C. He was super focused and engaged with her as if what they were discussing was of crucial importance. And Zack was like his anchor to break a smile and relax momentarily. However, his body language, with awkwardly folded arms, was all kinds of uncomfortable as he stands there enduring a social situation and trying to co-exist in a sea of people (all much shorter than himself) and not being able to meld. The sense is that he related to most of the crew around him as distant school work acquaintances. And Dylan seems to seek out Zack whenever possible and follows him around like his security blanket much of the time. We don’t really see him engaging with the other students – at least not in the 4:25 of the vid. He doesn’t even chat with John Savage or Devon Adams (standing right near him and looking very diminutive in his tall, gangly (and emaciated) presence.
Dylan is very careful with the handling of his coat. When he takes it off, he doesn’t bunch it up in his arms as most people would tend to do but rather, holds the coat out dangling before him while he is crouched near the edge of the stage discussing play technical details with Mrs. C and Zack. He may have learned to take extra care with the handling of his coat due to the fabric being “oil skin” which I’m guessing might get permanent crinkles if scrunched up in his arms. Oh, and, you gotta love the way Dylan just jumps off the stage as if it’s nothing. I’ve been in that theater…that ledge is not exactly a hop, skip, and a jump.. except for Mr. Long Legs. 🙂
Near the end, to my painful observations, Zack appears to be almost blatantly? ignoring Dylan who had just jumped off the stage in concern as to what Zack was complaining about (staring at the ceiling with an exasperated “Well, that’s just GREAT.”. Dylan says “what’s wrong?” as he jumps down and then seems awkward and rather lost that Zack brushes past him without a word. I have a theory on this snapshot of their relationship in this tiny end segment which is kind of disheartening.. Notice the rhythmic, odd hand/finger gesturing he is doing. Sue mentioned in her book that Dylan would often click his hands while anxious or in thought. It’s almost like he is self soothing.
Lastly, Dylan looks like such a baby in this last image. He morphs fluidly between man-child at age 17.

Happy 39th Birthday

Source: Bill Ockham

Such the efficient theater tech ever observing everything from the sidelines, gazing down at the sea of your peers everyone existing below you, seeing only the tops of their heads, with a lonesome, somber expression. An occasional small smile for your best friend, Zack. But mainly, you are going through the motions of your life. So very tall, so very thin that you are literally swimming in your pants. Mrs. C engages you. So glad she made you feel included in the Frankenstein production..and many others. Alas…we are still wistfully thinking of you down here on the earth and the suffering and pain you caused within your own silent suffering. The tragedy that was and is you. No one knew. But in we can see it here. Wishing you could still exist here beside us all at 39 to have lived the rich fullness of your life with as many or more good times to eclipse all the downs that you could only myopically see then. Happy Birthday Dylan. Many still think of you; we wish you were here. We wished you had lived the fullness of your life and that others had been spared to live the fullness of their own.

At last! The audio *and* video

We’ve been imagining this one for a few years now. I recall a lot of lip readers trying to help out on the old Tumblr E-C. Ahh.. feels so great when the puzzle piece is put into place! Here were have the full snippet of Brooks interviewing Dylan behind Blackjack and Dylan recounting a fun time they had pranking Mrs “C” (Caruthers), their beloved theatre teacher.

11/18/2019 – The case for Brooks as the mystery Blackjack interviewer
06/20/2018 – Have you gotten anywhere with the lip reading?
05/03/2017 – Blackjack clip People+Arts (plus we now have the Oprah Browns vid!)
04/28/2017 – Can anyone lip read and put the translation as subtitles?

…and now, we just need the Dylan eating a donut video. Please Universe! *crosses fingers and toes*

Hey there “Goofy”

I think this is what people meant when eyewitnesses often described Dylan as “goofy” or “goofy looking” in the 11K.

I’m speculating that Dylan and Zack are in the sound room near the sound board when Brooks calls out to Dylan (first few photos). He appears to be wearing his duster too. Interesting to note how long, thin, and oblong his face appears in that one shot. Wowza. Fun to glimpse the social, animated side of Dylan and his shared camaraderie with Zack (and Brooks) – being part of this creative, theater friends sans Eric. I do wished he had only hung out with this group. :-/

Oh, what a day!

“New” never-before-seen Dylan video footage (along with clearer video footage we’ve seen) in an obscure interview with Judy and Brooks Brown (eight months after the tragedy). Below is the edited montage of the Dylan snippets. The full interview is in the link below. Hopefully, with any luck, this reddit embed will play on WordPress. *crosses fingers* (Click the below video 2 times to play).

Judy & Brooks Brown on Geraldo | Dan Abrams (Full Episode Interview.)
Credit: Bill Ockham on Reddit & Youtube

This is heartening.. that yes, we will continue to get released footage..with time and patiences. It will eventually come out of the woodwork with people deciding to come forward and post their VHS video collection footage. And who knows, maybe even the Basement Tapes, eventually? Yeah, I know. That might be pushing our luck. 😉 But wait!, that’s not all: there is another Brown family Oprah interview that was also posted late last evening. That will be up next – plus, the photo screenshots to follow in future posts.

Reclaiming Lives Luncheon

August 25 @ 11:30 am – 1:00 pm

***URGENT NOTE: This event has been moved to August 25, 2020, because of the COVID-19 (Coronavirus) epidemic. For questions, please send an email to Charles Callihan.***

Centerstone will host its annual Reclaiming Lives Luncheon to raise funds for the most vulnerable in our community.

In its sixth year, the Reclaiming Lives Luncheon is an intimate event designed to connect our most ardent supporters with our cause.

The keynote speaker will be Sue Klebold, the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two shooters at Columbine High School – a tragedy that saddened and galvanized the nation. She has spent the last 15 years excavating every detail of her family life and trying to understand the crucial intersection between mental health problems and violence. Instead of becoming paralyzed by her grief and remorse, she has become a passionate and effective agent working tirelessly to advance mental health awareness and intervention. To learn more, please click here.

Co-chairwomen for this year’s event are Lucy Duvall & Mary Wilson.

For information about sponsorships, please click here or email C.F. Callihan II at Charles.callihan@centerstone.org.

To see a video from the 2018 Reclaiming Lives Luncheon, please click here.

TICKETS

To purchase Patron tickets, please click here.

To purchase single tickets, please click here.+ GOOGLE CALENDAR+ ICAL EXPORT

Details

Date:August 25Time:11:30 am – 1:00 pmEvent Categories:ActivityFundraising EventEvent Tags:foundationReclaiming Livestennessee

Venue

Richland Country Club1 Club Drive
Nashville, TN 37215 United States + Google MapPhone:(615) 370-0030Website:https://www.richlandcc.com/

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Randy Brown released his book!

Finally. So, glad that Randy was able to accomplish publishing his insiders take on Columbine along with his words-of-wisdom on the reoccurring school shooting problem and how it should be address to truly begin to tackle it head-on. I understand that Randy was really ill there for a while so I was really crossing my fingers that he would find the strength to preserve and finish his book!

Released hot off the (paperback only) press on June14th, the book is entitled:

The Inside Story of Columbine: Lies. Coverups. Ballistics. Lessons.

Go check it out and write a review if you’re up for it. I just bought mine and am truly looking forward to seeing his angle on things as I agree with him that bullying was an instrumental component which laid the foundation for this tragic event.

If you’re still with me.. thank you!

I realize that I’m not blogging as much as I used to back in E-C’s Tumblr heyday but despite that fact, I do still check in occasionally to glance at the dash and activity stats. It truly amazes me how much traffic this blog started receiving since Day 1 of parking 6 years worth of my Tumblr archive here.. and I’m still in awe (and a bit baffled) at the consist activity level WordPress E-C has been getting – even with all of it’s broken links leading to obsolete Tumblr pages and blogs. 😦 That said: I’d like to thank you if you’re an E-C follower from off Tumblr – or – if you’ve stumbled upon this blog via WordPress, thank you too for your visits. Today…being The Day that it is… landed me a couple of “your WordPress stats are booming!’ notification from my app – and I’m quite tickled by it – despite the fact that it is a tragic day. Again, thank you for the visits in your observance of Columbine. It means a lot that some of you are (still?) enjoying my content – though not much of it is new. Know that I will still be blogging occasionally here. Depending on my mood or emotions, there are times when I would like to blog much more regularly – especially now during Quarantine when I have more time for personal things. Unfortunately, WordPress is pretty expensive when it comes to having all the full functionality that I would need to continue blogging more actively/regularly. I had hoped that a decent Tumblr knock-off would’ve come about by now that is more liberal and unbiased with it’s content but sadly, that hasn’t happened just yet. NewTumbl seemed promising there for a while but the coders haven’t added to their functionality. So, given all of that, I’m parked here for now just watching and waiting. Feel free to continue liking posts that you like, or leaving a comment of feedback. I may not always respond right away but I will do so eventually.
Thanks again all!

Sue Klebold Keynote Speaker Idaho Threat Assessment Conference

Presented by Boise Idaho University & the Boise Police Dept.
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June 9-10, 2020 at Boise State University
Registration
$395
-or-
Pre-Conference Session- University Teams – $0.00 (June 8th 2 – 4 pm)

Sue
Sue Klebold

Author of the New York Times bestseller A Mother’s Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy and advocate for mental health.

2020 ITAC will open with Key Note speaker Sue Klebold!  Sue is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two gunmen responsible for the Columbine High School shootings. Dylan and his friend killed twelve students and a teacher, and wounded more than twenty others before taking their own lives.  Sue will discuss her search for answers and her experience of surviving a loved one’s murder-suicide. 

In the aftermath of the tragedy, Ms. Klebold remained out of the public eye while struggling with devastating grief and humiliation.  Her search for understanding would span over fifteen years during which she volunteered for suicide prevention organizations, questioned experts, talked with fellow survivors of loss, and examined the crucial intersection between mental health problems and violence.  As a result of her exploration, Sue emerged a passionate advocate, dedicated to the advancement of mental health awareness and intervention.  Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two gunmen responsible for the Columbine High School shootings of April 20, 1999, in Littleton, Colorado. Dylan and his friend killed twelve students and a teacher and wounded more than twenty others before taking their own lives.

Book cover - A Mother's Reckoning

From her memoir, A Mother’s Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy (Crown, 2016), Sue is donating all author profits to organizations that promote mental wellness, brain research and suicide prevention. She is a member of the National Loss and Healing Council of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP), and is a member of the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline Consumer-Survivor Subcommittee.  She has participated in presentations, co-chaired conferences at the state and national levels, and written about the experience of surviving a loved one’s murder-suicide. Sue has a Master of Arts degree in Education from Cardinal Stritch College. She was an instructor and administrator in the Colorado Community College System for over twenty years.

Who Should Attend?

Threat assessment/behavioral intervention team members, School Resource Officers, law enforcement, school safety officials, public safety personnel, mental health professionals, event security staff, venue managers, emergency management personnel, risk managers, human resources, legal personnel, school administrators, teachers and anyone else interested in learning more about threat assessment.

Agenda

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Sue Klebold – Reclaiming Lives Luncheon

Richland Country Club, Nashville, TN

April 8 @ 11:30 am – 1:00 pm
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Centerstone will host its annual Reclaiming Lives Luncheon to raise funds for the most vulnerable in our community.

In its sixth year, the Reclaiming Lives Luncheon is an intimate event designed to connect our most ardent supporters with our cause.

The keynote speaker will be Sue Klebold, the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two shooters at Columbine High School – a tragedy that saddened and galvanized the nation. She has spent the last 15 years excavating every detail of her family life and trying to understand the crucial intersection between mental health problems and violence. Instead of becoming paralyzed by her grief and remorse, she has become a passionate and effective agent working tirelessly to advance mental health awareness and intervention. To learn more, please click here.

Co-chairwomen for this year’s event are Lucy Duvall & Mary Wilson.

For information about sponsorships, please click here or email C.F. Callihan II at Charles.callihan@centerstone.org.

To see a video from the 2018 Reclaiming Lives Luncheon, please click here.

TICKETS

To purchase Patron tickets, $500, please click here.

To purchase single tickets, $150, please click here.

Venue

Richland Country Club
1 Club Drive Nashville, TN 37215 United States + Google Map
Phone:(615) 370-0030

Website:https://www.richlandcc.com/

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