Yes, the Ever-lasting contrast. Since existence has known, the 'fight' between good & evil has continued. Obviously, this fight can never end. Good things turn bad, bad things become good. My fav. contrasting symbol, because it is so true & means so much – the battle between good & bad never ends… Here we ponder on the tragedy of Dylan Klebold.
Natural selection is based on deception
The ignorant elder empowers the youth
Violence for inner-peace
Bombing for therapy
Terror is everything you need
KMFDM, Rubicon (Released April 20,1999)
How ironic.
Wonder if KMFDM ever looked closely at those lyrics and saw prophecy out of them. Then again, many of their songs have very similar, reoccurring themes. This one, however, seems spot on and echoes Eric’s “If you want peace prepare for war”. Though, his Natural Selection was based more on ignorance than deception, tbh. 😉
“Tom stepped in with his 1950s dress code standards and asked Dylan not to wear the hat to the hotel’s breakfast buffet. Dylan argued that we were on vacation, and it couldn’t possibly make a difference to anyone if he wore the hat. I shot Tom a “don’t sweat the small stuff” look, but didn’t want to sabotage his authority, so I gathered up a suitcase. “I’ll go down to the car and wait while you two work this out.”
I’d forgotten the car key, though, so I leaned against the hood in the cold morning air, remembering how Tom would insist the boys tuck in their shirts and polish their shoes for church while the minister’s own kids wore T-shirts and jeans. I was angry at him for harping on the hat. I guess I still am.
Eventually, Dylan came down to the car alone, his head bare. I wanted to say I agreed with him, and that it was okay with me if he wore the hat, but I did not. I only said, “I’m sorry the morning started out like this. I see you decided not to wear the hat.” Dylan sounded tired but determined to brush it off. “It’s not worth fighting about; it’s just not a big deal.”
I was frankly surprised. I’d expected a little more sputtering and complaining from a seventeen-year-old. “Wow, Dyl. I’m impressed,” I said, mistaking his willingness to withdraw from the conflict for maturity. I praised him for controlling his anger but I wish now he had stomped and screamed, giving me a glimpse of the rage burning inside him. Now I wonder if he had stopped caring about anything at all.”
Not likely. There isn’t any good enough reason to release them and their parents would fight against it. Plus, Jeffco’s current trend is to give the public the impression that much of the Columbine evidence has been destroyed. It may not be the truth but that’s their stance so morgue photos aren’t going to pop up on the scene any time soon.
“Sunday dinner with the whole family happened almost every week. Byron and Dylan staged epic dish-towel-flicking fights in the kitchen;though they looked like grown men, they were really still boys.”
Bryon:As a small child, Byron, our first, was a joyful whirling dervish. He reminded me of Lucille Ball’s character in I Love Lucy, always getting up to (or into) something. Byron was the kid who whizzed out of the restaurant bathroom, straight into the waitress with the loaded tray. He was the kid who hooked a plate of potato salad so it crashed into his own face, pie-fight style, while demonstrating an armpit fart—and then did it again with a bowl of oatmeal the next morning during a breakfast reenactment. It was pure boyish tomfoolery without an ounce of malice in it. Even Tom was usually laughing too hard at Byron’s antics to get mad. Dylan: After Byron’s energy, Dylan’s willingness to sit on the floor and play quietly was a revelation. Both boys were active and playful, but Dylan sought out sedentary tasks that required patience and logic, and after his always-on-the-go brother had outgrown snuggling, Dylan would still slow down for a book or a puzzle or a cuddle with me. Our younger son was observant, curious, and thoughtful, with a gentle personality. Curious about what was going on around him, patient, even-tempered, and quick to giggle, Dylan could make the most routine errand fun. He was up for anything—a social, affable child, who loved to do stuff.
Correct and yes, it was ‘The Zack Situation’. I’ve written on this quite a few times on E-C. I’d suggest googling ‘everlasting contrast’ with ‘zack heckler’ to pull up these posts.
Part 3 of “Tell Me About Dylan” Interviewer Mark Goulston, M.D.Speaker, Author, Coach, Consultant, Huffington Post
Dr. G: Is that why you wrote the book and why you feel… I don’t know if you’ve said this in your interviews, you may have, that you didn’t have a choice. You had to write the book.
Sue: “I felt that way. And this is what was so difficult because many people did not want me to write this book. But I’ve thought, “I have to write this book. If I couldn’t write this book, I’d have no reason to go on. I have to write this book.” So yes, it was very important for me to write this book. It was such a compulsion, there was nothing short of death that would’ve stopped me from writing this book.”
“To people who didn’t want me to write this book, this book is always the elephant in the living room, and at times some people perceive me to be crazy to want to do it. But as I said, it was something I couldn’t not do. It was like breathing, I couldn’t… and I thought often about just dropping the whole idea and I couldn’t. I mean, I wake up in the morning and I’m… I was… year after year, writing… talking to people… I was writing this book in my head. So yes, it’s an absolute compulsion.”
“I know that there is the likelihood of there being another shooting. What I kept thinking is… for anyone who loves a child, if they have another issue, such as Dylan had, I want them to know that they can get some help.I want people to know they can get help with their anxiety disorder as I have or that a child who is depressed can get help.”
“It’s as much a love letter to people I know, people that I know who are in my world as it is to prevent school shootings in the world, it’s to anybody who’s suffering. Anyone that we know, all of our loved ones. For you, for me, for our kids and grandkids.”
“It’s like, let us stop saying this about assuming that this was all about a parent who didn’t care or parents who were inept, and let’s really get down to what these issues are. And part of it was face saving and part of it was an opportunity to tell my story like The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner… I’ve got to talk about this because I never really had the chance to talk about it and I had this bursting out of me like some kind of an alien. I just wanted to talk about this and I needed to talk about it.”
Well, one of the hardest things for me about all of this is how traumatic it is for me to be… to accidentally read what people say about me. That’s one of the hardest things, where people hate me and judge me and call me a bitch. I would think by now, 17 years later, I could become desensitized to that, but I’m always speaking to that hidden critic, always sensing that whatever I say… it’s like a Rubik’s cube…. I have to look at, well, somebody who hates me will look at it this way or this way or this way.”
I’d encourage some positive feedback in the comments section of either 1, 2 and 3 of this fabulous interview!
No, I don’t fucking think so. If you don’t fucking leave that fucking fuck alone I’m gonna tear your fucking head off and shove it so far up your goddamn fucking ass, he’s gonna friggen cough up dandruff for three fucking weeks!
One night, probably during his junior year, Dylan told me, “Eric’s crazy.”*
I responded, “You’re going to meet people all your life who are difficult, and I’m glad you have enough common sense to recognize it when you see it.” I told him his dad and I had a lot of confidence in his ability to make good choices, with or without his friends.
Our confidence was misplaced, but neither did we have any idea of what Dylan was dealing with. I had no inkling that the situation might be truly dangerous. Nor did I have any conception of what Dylan meant by “crazy.” Eric was higher-maintenance than Dylan’s other friends, and I’d seen evidence of his volatile temper at a soccer game. The problem, though, was much more serious.
– Sue Klebold, A Mother’s Reckoning
* My approximated time frame this conversation occurred – Jan – March 1998
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Brooks Brown – No Easy Answers
“IN MARCH OF 1998 (one week before Dylan started the Diversion Program on 3/25) , I WAS WALKING TO CLASS WHEN DYLAN approached me with a small piece of paper. On it was written the address for a Web site.
“ I think you should take a look at this tonight,” Dylan said.
I shrugged. “ Okay. Anything special? ”
I figured at the time that it was the address for some new program Dylan had uncovered.
“ It’s Eric’s Web site,” he said. “ You need to see it. And you can’t tell Eric I gave it to you.”
I nodded. “ All right.”
That night I logged on for the first time. Sure enough, it was Eric’s page; I recognized the more familiar features, like the “ Jo Momma” joke section; all of us would sit around and tell those…. “ “However, Eric had several pages that clearly were not meant as a joke. They were brutal, savage attacks on everything he hated about the world. One of them had to do with me. Eric had written:
My belief is that if I say something, it goes. I am the law, if you don’t like it, you die. If I don’t like you or I don’t like what you want me to do, you die. If I do something incorrect, oh fucking well, you die. Dead people can’t do many things like argue, whine, bitch, complain, narc, rat out, criticize, or even fucking talk. So that’s the only way to solve arguments with all you fuck-heads out there, I just kill! God I can’t wait till I can kill you people. I’ll just go to some downtown area in some big-ass city and blow up and shoot everything I can. Feel no remorse, no sense of shame. Ich sage FICT TU! I will rig up explosives all over a town and detonate each one of them at will after I mow down a whole fucking area full of you snotty ass rich mother fucking high strung godlike attitude having worthless piece of shit whores. I don’t care if I live or die in the shootout, all I want to do is to kill and injure as many of you pricks as I can, especially a few people. Like Brooks Brown.
I sat there staring at the screen for a moment. It was unexpected, to say the least. On another page, Eric had posted my phone number, along with a specific list of everything he hated about me. On yet another, he encouraged would-be killers to seek me out, and promised a reward for my head.
Eric had an entire three-page document dedicated to the building of pipe bombs.He gave specific instructions on what ingredients to use, along with updates on his own progress. He described the bombs he’d already built, and the successful detonation of one of them.
Eric had posted detailed descriptions of the “ Rebel Missions” he and Dylan had carried out in the neighborhood. In this example, they set off firecrackers outside the house of the person they had targeted for the evening:
RebtheJuvey WBS page:
Rebel Missions:
Mission 3: “After the fireworks we went over to this assholes house. His name is brooks brown (phone #) (address). If any of you feel like pranking him. Anyway, we didn’t really do much to him. Just put some model puddy on his Merc.”
Mission 4: “This mission was also liquor free as a result of this person named Brooks Brown (phone #) who tried to narc on us. Telling my parents that i had booze and @#%$ in my room. I had to ditch every bottle I had and lie like a f*ckin salesman to my parents. All because Brooks Brown thought i put a little nik in his windshield from a snowball…….BS? yes, Anyway, that was mission 4.
Based on the Web site, however, it seemed clear that these “ Rebel Missions” weren’t going to satisfy Eric for much longer. Writing, “ I live in Denver and would love to kill all its residents,” Eric offered one final warning to his readers:
“Well all you people out there can just kiss my ass and die. From now on, I don’t give a fuck what almost any of you mutha fuckas have to say, unless I respect you which is highly unlikely, but for those of you who happen to know me and know that I respect you, may peace be with you and don’t be in my line of fire. For the rest of you, you all better fucking hide in your house because im comin [sic] for EVERYONE soon, and I W ILL be armed to the fuckin teeth and I W ILL shoot to kill and I W ILL fucking KILL EVERYTHING! No I am not crazy, crazy is just a word, to me it has no meaning, everyone is different, but most of you fuckheads out there in society, going to your everyday fucking jobs and doing your everyday routine shitty things, I say fuck you and die. If you got a problem with my thoughts, come tell me and I’ll kill you, because … goddamnit, DEAD PEOPLE DON’T ARGUE!”
“I never told my parents that I got the address from Dylan until after the shootings. I was worried that if I did, Eric would find out, and then Dylan would be in trouble with him for having warned me. I simply told my parents that a friend had given it to me, and that if Eric ever found out who, he would hurt him.
In truth, I don’t know what Dylan’s motives were for giving me that Web site.
Maybe he was trying to warn me. Maybe he thought the site was funny, and just didn’t take it as seriously as I did. Or maybe Eric did want him to give the address to me. Maybe Dylan was in on it, and both of them wanted to send me a scare. I didn’t know.
I have no doubt that Dylan knew exactly what was on that Web site when he gave me the address. He might not have been posting things on it himself, but at the very least, Eric was keeping him up to speed. So I was afraid to go back to him and mention it.”
See post “Doubts” on my belief as to why Dylan told Brooks about Eric’s website.
January 1999
I hate this non thinking stasis.. I’m suck in humanity. maybe Going “NBK” (gawd) w. eric is the way to break free. i hate this. Love you ❤ – Dylan Klebold
Well, I don’t think the boys created lists solely because of the song Shit List by L7 but I’m sure listening to the soundtrack to a favorite movie between them and the blatant lyrics to that tune was partly inspirational in a private joke sort of *wink wink nudge nudge* manner.
Both of their Shit Lists are under the cut
Dylan’s Shit List – 36 Entries
Item #405 Package of Misc Paperwork [Shit List] – Removed from Dylan’s Bedroom CN 1310 Note ISP address Telcal with Concentric Research Corporation CN 1322 Unable to ID “?” without more info CN 1329 Unable to ID “?” without more info CN 1335 Male [Mexican] 3-20-81 – Basketball Team – Associated with Robyn Kay Anderson 11-4-80 in class – no classes with Dylan but did with Eric CN 1661 Paul Hofer 3-6-81 [brother Jeffrey Hofer 5-19-84] CN 1664 & CN 1671 Matthew James Friedman 4-8-81 CN 1666 Karen Ann Schott 10-13-80 dates student from Colorado School of Mines CN 1668 Louis W Scileppi 3-9-81 CN 1671 Christopher Lyn Stinson 10-9-80 CN 1723 Ryan “Waldo” Gregory Walda 11-28-80 CN 1725 Charles Andy Milam 2-28-80 CN 1726 Jeffrey Dean Marquardt 8-24-81 CN 1800 Dustin Kent Thurmon 10-9-80 CN 1801 Nicholas Baker 8-20-80 CN 1804 & CN 2199 Nicholas John Baumgart 5-14-81 CN 1853 Jonathan Allen Broden 10-2-80 CN 1867 Aaron G Belliston 4-15-81 CN 1960 ? – in classes with Eric/Dylan – saw Eric @ 11:10am wearing black trenchcoat carrying grayish duffel bag CN 2017 Dustin Kent Thurmon 10-9-80 CN 2019 Unable to ID “?” without more info CN 2022 info only CN 2023 info only CN 2025 Michael Dinkel 5-13-81 CN 2027 & CN 4464 Andrew Anderson 7-4-81 CN 2029 Male 7-25-80 – had English class with Dylan ‘98 – had argument with Dylan about spoiled kids – Dylan had seen him on occasion with Robyn Kay Anderson 11-4-80 CN 2030 John Reffel IV 12-8-80 CN 2032 Paul D Serverts 7-27-81 CN 2034 Spencer Grange 10-19-80 CN 2035 Male – known Dylan since Grade 3 & was with him in accelerated program at Governor Ranch Elementary School – never had problem with Eric/Dylan or their friends CN 2036 Alexander [Dudik?] 12-7-80 CN 2037 & CN 3692 Christopher Michael Clary 7-25-80 CN 2039 Mr ? CN 2040 Male Littleton CO 80123 – played sports until sophmore year – doesn’t know why he is on the list CN 2149 Donald J Klein Jr 3-14-81 CN 2153 Unassigned – info only CN 2156 Unassigned – info only CN 2158 Unassigned – info only CN 2159 Christine Mikesell Administrator 4-8-51 CN 2161 Mike Paavilainen Grade 12 CN 2162 Duplicate – covered by Sgt Webb 5-4-99 lead # ? CN 2163 Kyle Tod Barnes 7-2-80 CN 2165 Unable to ID “?” CN 2167 Unable to ID “Gold Dust” CN 2169 Zachary Rissmiller 11-3-80 CN 2172 & CN 2509 Jeffrey Hulse 11-21-81 CN 2173 Brett O’Neill Grade 12 CN 2177 Male [Mexican] – didn’t know Eric/Dylan
Eric’s “Class of ‘98 Should’ve Died List – 15 Entries Shit List – 30 Entries
Item #278 Notebook –Class of 98 Top of the “Should Have Died” List
?? Rocky Hoffschneider/Paul Maten/Anthony “Tony” Pyne/Doug Trujillo ?? CN 2197 Male 1-23-80 – attends Mesa College & played football with Kevin Harris CN 2201 Nathan Kugler 8-5-79 CN 2202 Male 4-6-80 – attends ? College & relentlessly abused Eric in gym class CN 2212 Male 4-16-80 – football player, friend of Rocky & worked @ Cooper Theatre CN 2214 Greg Hydle 9-18-79 CN 2308 Travis Rawls 7-11-80 CN 2321 Male 3-4-80 unable to contact CN 2322 Nicholas Mearsha 9-30-79 CN 2326 Male 9-23-79 – Cross Country/Track/Wrestling – on DebateTeam/RNN – possibly in video class with Eric/Dylan & worked video projects with Eric/Dylan CN 2328 Male 5-11-80 – attends ? College – teased Eric in gym class “big head/skinny body” CN 2331 Male 3-23-80 – Football – no altercation with Eric/Dylan & no mutual friends CN 2335 Male – attends ? College/University on Basketball scholarship & no direct contact with Eric CN 2346 ? [Male] 11-6-79 unable to contact CN 2347 Male 11-24-79 – had confrontation with Joe Stair – Baseball team – ? of the Basketball team – no contact with Eric/Dylan *** Jason B, heroin addict from “Intervention” was one of the people on the White Hat List See here and here.
Eric’s Shit List – 30 Entries
Item #328 2 Pieces of Paper [Shit List] – Removed from Item #279 from Eric’s Bookshelf CN 1808 Peggy Dodd Teacher/Tech Lab/Comp Lab Assistant CN 1824 Ellin Hayes Teacher/Hall Monitor CN 1874 Unassigned – info only CN 1880 Austin Stephen Eubanks 10-7-81 CN 1884 Ryan McGrath 2-9-81 CN 1887 Kevin James Hofstra 2-24-81 CN 1891 Lacy Koch’s boyfriend 9-15-80 – intervened when Dylan called girl bitch gym class CN 1894 Dustin Harrison 5-2-80 CN 1896 Jason Thompson Grade 12 CN 1898 Insufficient info to ID CN 1901 Insufficient info to ID CN 1902 Insufficient info to ID CN 1903 & CN 2138 & CN 2449 Patrice Doyle 10-9-80/10-1-80 CN 1907 Kevin Robert Larson 7-31-81 CN 1932 info only CN 1936 & CN 50 & CN 51 ex-Chatfield HS students/brothers ? – info only CN 1938 info only CN 2192 Unassigned – info only CN 2195 Charles Andy Milam 2-28-80 CN 2200 Lead previously done CN 2205 Erik J Trenck 3-1-81 CN 2219 Lead Covered 4-30-99 CN 2224 Joshua Swanson 6-20-81 CN 2228 Unassigned – info only CN 2230 Unassigned – info only CN 2233 Unassigned – info only CN 2234 Ryan Foster 11-6-80 CN 2235 Unassigned – info only CN 2237 Matthew Carmichael 1-8-81 CN 2239 Unassigned – info only CN 2246 Unassigned – info only CN 2247 & CN 2320 Devon Adams CN 2248 Shawn [Shaun] Lee CN 2250 Unassigned – info only CN 2252 Unassigned – info only CN 2253 info only CN 2257 Male 12-26-80 – Football/Wrestling before ‘99 – knew Dylan in Elementary School & Cub Scouts – had contact with Robyn Kay Anderson 11-4-80 in class & was friends with her CN 2259 Amy Michelle Evans 9-26-80 CN 2262 Nicholas James Zupancic 7-11-80 CN 2268 Lead Previously Done CN 2277 Jonathan Allen Broden 10-2-80 *** Kim Fox – Sophmore – According to Rocky Mountain News article “Columbine Killer Harris had enemies list of classmates” her name was found on the Shit List – Student Staff Location List says Location Unkown & No Info – Master Index says Threats Schools & Chatfield High School
That quote can be found on page 88 of Ralph Larkin’s inaccurate book “Comprehending Columbine”. Larkin assumed from an invalid source that this quote is Eric taken from a “Trench coat Mafia website”. Well, problem is, Eric didn’t have a TCM website and he wasn’t even officially part of the TCM. Many of those fake TCM related websites came out of the woodwork just after Columbine with lots of misinformation and posers writing stuff as if they were Eric and Dylan or knew them from the TCM clan. Additionally, if you understand Eric’s personality well enough, you’d know that he’d never admit publicly on a website that he was ‘called ‘gay’’ by any one let alone jocks or cheerleaders (?) which would make him seem like a real wuss. Plus, I don’t see him using the term ‘schoolyard’. Lastly, Eric had too much semblance of self control to even want to admit he was desperate enough to resort to tripping out on cough syrup for being called a fag. His occasional mentions his favorite weekend past time is getting high on weed because saying as such seemed the coolio thing to do and not so much that he actually got high regularly and more than likely he couldn’t at all for the entire year he was under the thumb of the Diversion program – but tripping on cold medicine and cough syrup? Nah. Ralph Larkin is a horrible researcher and he has far too many inaccuracies in his book stemming from invalid sources. The guy is not credible. A page or so over from this, he’s going on about how it was Dylan getting knocked about by jocks walking down the hallway with Eric and Mike while video taping them. Nope, that wasn’t Dylan as he wrongly claims in his shitty book.
I think in the warped, limited mindset he held in his last days, Dylan, as Eric, was desperately trying to reinvent himself ifrom a failure and a nobody nto something fierce, strong and powerful that had been provoked and so the world would now have to pay the consequences for their actions in shaping him into this twisted weapon of mass destruction he present himself as in the Basement Tapes. He was fine with being memorialized publicly as a remorseless FUCK YOU ALL to the world.
“It is better to have nothing than be nothing.”
However, there is a small part of him, the core of Dylan, that left traces of himself behind in those notebooks he left untouched scattered in his bedroom. This speaks to him wanting to be discovered for the pain and suffering his was undergoing on a personal level. I believe his leaving those breadcrumb trails of his so-called journal was intentional, almost like his ‘suicide letter’ but only to those closest to him. I don’t think he would’ve envisioned that his personal writings would get released to the entire world for all to see. At the time he died, I don’t think he really anticipated that was going to happen the way it has. That anyone can google up his chicken scrawl writings in a matter of seconds and read him like an open book. No, I think at the time he died, Dylan wanted be his persona on the Basement Tapes to be his big reveal to the world not his private, sad and pathetic meanderings. He wanted people to know how bitter enraged and apathetic he had become about this world not how much he suffered impotently as that loser, that freak, that ‘poor SOB’ who couldn’t even get one girlfriend or have ambitions or successes in this life. Dylan wanted to rewrite his past in one swift stroke, and the Basement Tapes was supposed to be that for the public’s consumption.
This is beautiful. 🙂 A collective of many individual souls that have been profoundly touched and inspired by his memory in their own resonance with his soul. Our spirits have been activated to vibrate the love he so longed for back upon him triple fold with each of our own soul’s release and emergence back into spirit. In a sense, that would make each of us his Halcyon Girl, wouldn’t it? Sort of like individual puzzle pieces converging into the totality of one Great Love and radiating that bliss and sense of completion back to him infinitely in the Halcyons. I adore your metaphysical concept. ❤ Dyl’s harem of love.has a nice hippy commune vibe to it. 😉