Why is Dylan holding his gun up like that when he comes down the stairs lol

Primed and posed in his dominant left hand for any action in the cafeteria. His right hand was carrying the shotgun in a downward direction.  Carrying two weapons downward like you’re not anticipating anything doesn’t look too badass you know? lol   They could also see clearly out the window and could visibly see all the activity going on outside. I know, I was there in that very cafeteria around the same time of a day two years ago.

Where do you think the boys kept their journals to ensure their parents would never stumble upon them?

I don’t think the two really ever worried about that sort of thing.  Eric had a basement bedroom and I think we can safely say that his parents didn’t tread down in his bedroom territory often enough let alone go looking for any of his personal belongings or a journal, even. I doubt they even figured him to be the type to journal.  And Sue pretty much alluded in AMR that she was respectful of her sons private space – unless there was just cause to search his room.  Even when she did search, I get the feeling she didn’t look too terribly hard. I think she just tended to give Dylan far too much benefit of the doubt much to her detriment and focused more on openly problematic Byron. I  don’t honestly think Dylan even looked at his writing as ‘journaling’ or ‘keeping a diary’.  He just wrote his thoughts randomly in some of his notebooks and on pieces of paper so it was done with little concerted intent so therefore, no real thought that he’d need to hide his writings from his parents. I think he assumed his parents would’ve stayed out of his bedroom and would respect his private space. 

Interesting post about the grenade pouch but seeing as the person who wrote it isn’t familiar with firearms very much allow me to make a correction. I quote “He also stuck a bullet in his boot – which of course, was useless without a shell or clip. But it was the idea for him that he was ‘prepared’ for his Death Day.” This of course is not true. You can certainly take a singular bullet and load it straight into a barrel without a mag and fire it which would be why he had the 1 in his boot.

I’m not an expert on firearms. My source of information is from someone who is into this aspect of the shooting. Unfortunately, they are no longer active on Tumblr which is pity as they were knowledgeable source regarding their military gear, firearms and ammo.  I’m certain you two could have debated the nuances about this particular aspect of the massacre as it’s both your area of interest.  See their posts here, here and here.  The info you’ve offered is interesting food for thought, of course. I mean, why else would Dylan stick the thing in his boot if it served no practical purposed?  But ultimately, he didn’t actually use it to kill himself. But again, I’ve been pretty upfront when I’ve said that this is not my area of speciality. Based on what I’d been informed – that he couldnt technically use the bullet by itself – I speculated whether it was more of a bad ass lucky piece and not so much as a practical ‘last chance to kill himself’ if he’d had no ammo left and the cops were closing in.

I’ve seen it mentioned before but I’m not sure if it was here but I just wanted to clarify for everyone. Dylan’s boots during the massacre weren’t sloppily tied or coming undone with the tongue flapping around. It actually was a 3 pocket pouch that he had fastened to his shin in olive drab coloring. You can see that he includes this in his sketch for how he planned to wear his gear. I’m actually surprised at how many people think he just didn’t tie his boots.

The tripe grenade pouch that Dylan jerry-rigged to his right shin – which from a distance looked like he had sloppy, untied bootlaces – had been discussed before here and here.

Columbine has made me extremely depressed and I don’t know how to get out of the hole it put me in. I can’t stop researching because I’m so interested but the more I find out the more depressed I become.

Uh oh. It sounds like maybe it’s time for you to take a break from all things Columbine? We’ve all been there..with the Columbine flu. Seriously, you need some vacation time away from this heavy subject. Step back and begin to reestablish healthy and positive boundaries for yourself. Learning about Columbine does not mean you have to be taken under tow along with it and those boys. ❤

If Eric sensed that another friend was getting close to Dylan, would Eric become jealous ?? Same goes for Dylan.

 I think the two of them both felt all alone. Even though Dylan had other friends, his perception in his mind was that he didn’t have a lot of friends. So, at the end of the day, the two still had each other in their co-dependent relationship. But I think if either started to become closer friends with some other dude friend, then sure, they’d feel jealousy. But I believe Eric would just a bit more so to the point where he’d try and manipulate the situation. Dylan would just internalize it and feel lonely and abandoned.  If either got close to a girl it would cause problems because they’d be jealous because of what the other had found and they (still) lacked. They’d feel immensely left out if a girl interfered in their relationship. It would cause problems and upset their dynamic.

Pt1: Hey! I started investigating on Columbine not long ago and I’m so glad I found your blog. There’s so much information and interesting perspectives in here! Just wanted to share something. I can see that you often talk about not knowing if Dylan’s body ended in the position he did due to convulsion, or moved by someone. I read the full autopsy and in one part it says “Faint redish-purple livor is set over the dorsal aspects of the body with appropiate blanching of the pressure points”

Pt2: I’m by no means an expert in medicine or its terms, but started investigating and found that “livor” is about “livor mortis”, which is a settling of the blood in the lower (dependent) portion of the body post mortem, causing a purplish red discoloration of the skin. Livor mortis starts in 20–30 minutes, but is usually not observable by the human eye until two hours after death.

Pt3: If the livor found in Dylan’s body was in the dorsal side, which is the back, then it means that his body was in that position in the first 30 minutes or so after his dead. The first team entered to the library more than 3 hours later, so they couldn’t move Dylan’s body to make the livor appear at his back side. What do you think? 

Livor mortis can change after about 6 hours postmortem by moving the body position. As the heart stops pumping and the blood ceases to continually circulate throughout the body, gravity causes the blood to drip or pool down at the lower or bottom areas of the body. When Dylan landed face-down, leaning on his left side of Eric’s pant leg, the blood gradually began to pool towards his head and settle there in the course of 20-30 minutes. Alternatively, as we see in the suicide photos, if Dylan flailed and gasped and expired falling on his back -or- if the SWAT came in 3hours later and pushed/kicked him onto his back – regardless of which case it was, he would’ve been lying prone on his back long enough for the blood to re-pool by the time of the autopsy observation. The bodies remained in the library overnight and were removed 24 hours later as the CSI forensic team collected all of the bodies into body bags (the two shooters were removed last) and taken to the coroner for examination. There would’ve been plenty of time for the blood to re-pool and settle on Dylan’s dorsal backside by the time of the autopsy examination.  

I know that some argue that Dylan died face down based off of the clues of the bloodline directions alongside his face but that’s a whole other can of worms! 🙂 But that is essentially my take as to how the livor mortis was noted as being on the dorsal region by the coroner.  I’m not a forensic expert but I’d love to hear one logically dissect the suicide photo. 🙂 

why did dylan get interviewed that one time

It was for their Rebel News Network broadcast that the students collaborated on in the school. Students working as part of Rebel News would film little video snippets or serve up the news for the week and the RNN would be played in the morning on the class TVs. This was an interview segment of various students and Dylan ended up being included for an interview.  Btw, both boys collaborated on the RNN for segments occasionally. They liked the creative stuff which included filming vids and such.

Here is what the Rebel News Network Announcements looks like..still an ongoing tradition today.at CHS.

RNN Channel

I’ve looked through E-C for ‘gym’ but can’t find what I’m looking for. I may be confused, but did the students at Columbine have to take gym all four years? Makes no sense, considering they took bowling as a gym requirement their Senior year.

I’m not really sure if in the late nineties they had to take gym or physical fitness for all four years. That’s a good question. It may have been the case back then. I’d like to ask that to someone that goes to Columbine now because I bet they don’t require it all four years nowadays (I know there’s someone on my blog that goes to CHS presently so maybe they’ll speak up).  Of course, their taking bowling was considered a non-traditional P.E. but a way for them to bypass their loathed typical gym class setting but also a way to hang with friends on their bowling team. It was worth it enough for Dylan to get up before the crack of dawn and take a super early morning bowling class to avoid more unsufferable team sport gym classes. lol

Hey so i really like your blog and I love your opinions in relation with Dylan. I have one major question because I’ve read Sue book in which she states that Dylan had a Marilyn Manson poster in his room and that the told her he doesn’t listen to the lyrics and just really likes the sound of it but a few days ago I read the report of the blackjack’s pizza employee who stated that Dylan &Eric were always mocking about Marilyn and calling him a fag and stuff. Do you think he did this bc of Eric ?

Thankss 🙂  Well, you know how you say certain things around some friends that you wouldn’t necessarily say around others?  I think Dylan just went along with referring to Manson as a fag because Eric would call the dude that. It was not a big deal to Dylan. Whatever worked in their bonding as friends.  However, Dylan probably had other friends of his that liked MM and he, himself, was kind of a closet fan. As we know from Sue’s book, Dylan had a MM poster in his room but he also had a cd which was cataloged evidence taken from his possessions,  Sue also mentioned in AMR that Eric was rarely over their house in the last couple of years. Can you imagine when Sue said that time Eric did stay over the Klebolds house a few days before the massacre?   Unless of course, Dylan took the poster down to avoid that reaction………….  😉