You don’t hear much about Dylan’s relationship with his brother. I’ve read Bryon being kicked out of the house because of drugs, but what was the relationship between the two?

My sense is that relationship grew apart in their teen years. Byron went to another high school while Dylan was in Jr. High. Byron likely began to hang with a group that was into smoking pot and possibly doing other drugs on a regular basis. This caused some tension in the family with the parents who, in addition, were also having some bumpy patch marital issues of their own. Unlike, Eric looking up to his three years older brother, Kevin, the gap experience for three years older Byron and Dylan became a vast chasm over a period of time where both boys were co-existing in their separate universes and neither could find common ground between one another. Byron was the troubled boy who caused drama in the family and Dylan was considered the ‘golden child’, the gifted one who was being groomed to follow an academic path to a future successful career. I think, Byron probably took the hint and picked up the subliminal messages his parents were inadvertently giving out, picking up on the fact that he wasn’t seen as the talented one and was resentful, and so he plunged himself into waffling in school with mediocre grades and partying.

According to Dylan (in the Basement Tapes), he recalls from his own POV “how popular and athletic his older brother Byron was and how he constantly “ripped” on him, as did his brother’s friends”  Basically, I think this amounted to Byron taking out his resentment on his kid brother who was somehow better than him by default. Dylan as a Jr. HS student was then at the age where he no longer wanted to spend as much time with mom and dad but he also didn’t really have a connection with his older brother so he began to isolate himself in his bedroom playing video games when he got home from school. It seems as though Byron let Dylan try alcohol and weed in his company and sadly, this may have been the only times they had a rare bonding moment. When Byron was kicked out of the house, basically asked to leave by his parents because of his drug habit in ‘97, Dylan then acquired his brother’s old bedroom. After that, I don’t think Byron came around much at all. Dylan probably only saw him for holidays or birthdays. Dylan essentially went from youngest to the old child in the household. Dylan was falling deeper in his depression and feeling numb and disconnected, I think most of his memories with his brother were not the best and so he seemed completely ‘meh’ about possibly never seeing his brother again. It’d be a sense of disdain and apathy sort of a ‘who cares, he never really gave a shit about me anyway and besides, he’s a fuck up with drugs and can’t get his shit together.’ On Dylan’s diversion intake form under the category of ‘least supporting family member’, he elects Byron as least supportive and then offers: “not involved w/ my life (not a problem).”. I think this basically says it all as to how he felt about his oldest brother. It’s a sad testament of the two brothers completely content to disengage from one another’s lives.

Byron, as the older brother now in his early twenties, was too self involved in his own life and apparently unable  or unwilling to reach out to his younger brother and be that supportive figure for him. Dylan, in turn, seemed to feel that Byron just abandoned him over a long period of time and his leaving home and being physically absent from his life seemed to have made no difference than if his brother was still living and co-existing in his own separate universe in the bedroom right next door. It’s sad really that they were like two ships passing one another by in their own home. I think Byron must have many regrets regarding how he conducted himself during that time period and that he literally just ignored or devalued his baby brother’s life rather than being mature enough and less self involved to be a supportive figure in Dylan’s life. That said, I do not think the problem ends and begins with Byron being a deadbeat brother to Dylan. It would seem that Byron’s own issues – his acting out with a drug habit he wasn’t about to quit, was possibly a result of some depression/mental health issues he was struggling with on his own and used drugs to cope – but also, in connection with some undercurrent, dysfunctional dynamics existing some where in the Klebold family unit. One contributing factor would be that Tom considered one son a fortuitous piece-of-cake  and the other an underachieving problem child. If both boys suffered depression, it would seem Byron wasn’t able to keep up appearances and tread water looking ‘normal’ and studious the way gifted Dylan was able to slack just enough but breeze through average level stuff while struggling with the challenges of those AP courses. Byron’s coping method may have been to just to throw in the towel with trying to be that A-B student and just not putting in a whole lot of effort  and also tuning out the pain with the use of drugs. He may have been even more discouraged because Dylan out performed him by default.  During the time period that the family was having issues with Byron’s drug problems, the family underwent group counseling. It was probably something Sue elected to do to help her family during a troubled time but I’m sure dad and the boys all went through it digging their heels uncomfortably and attending sessions perfunctorily. Meanwhile, the root, underlying family issues were never effectively aired and addressed. I’m sure for Dylan that must have been excruciatingly embarrassing to voice any thing that was hurting him in front of his family and so he probably fidgeted and mumbling one word answers the entire time.

Did Dylan argue with his parents a lot? Or was it general frustration because of school

Dylan ignored his parents, mumbled back mono-syllables or occasionally talked back to his parents for the usual reasons most angsty teenage boys do. Frustration with his life, hating himself and hating them for nagging him about shit which would then remind him and magnify why he felt like a failure about himself. Not living up to their expectations let alone any of his own standards of success. 

thedogdaysuniverse:

everlasting-contrast:

thedogdaysuniverse:

“Dylan’s friends liked his parents a lot. They were casual and convenient people, and one had to adore how close they were to both of their sons – without being too intrusive. Both Tom and Sue preached and practiced the values of empathy and loyalty to their sons. This was probably the reason why Dylan grew up to be such a courteous person who always considered what others would feel before doing or saying anything. He never wanted to disappoint his friends or make them feel bad. Dylan was interested in many things, but for some reason religion wasn’t a big deal for him. In contrast to his father, his mother was Jewish – although she didn’t try to force Dylan to be excited about the Jewish faith.”
– excerpt from “A lasting impression. The impact of Columbine” (2007)  by Sasha Huttunen. p. 46

It’s too bad this book is out of print and impossible to get a hold of now. Thanks so much for posting these excerpts at my request! 🙂

You’re very welcome! Your blog is always a pleasure to read.

Thank you! Enjoying your blog as well^^ 🙂

As requested, a few more excerpts from “A lasting impression”

thedogdaysuniverse:

The impact of Columbine for Eric’s and Dylan’s friends
“Mark Manes and Philip Duran, the only ones sentenced in the aftermath, have paid their debt to society. They are free from prison, and although the tragedy will be a cross to bear for the rest of their lives, they are now continuing those lives, trying to move on.
Also Eric and Dylan’s friends, who were put through hell after the event, are now doing well. Brooks Brown has his own videogame firm, Nate Dykeman is living happily in Florida, Robyn Anderson became a mother a few years ago, Zach Heckler runs a technology consulting company and Devon Adams graduated from the university of Denver and is now [2007] working in theatre. Also she is successfully moving on with her life, though she feels that she can never leave Colorado. Because of Columbine.
“Since it happened I find myself more willing to tell my friends what they mean to me,” Devon says. “I’m more open about how I feel. When people ask me ‘how are you?’  and when I’m honest, it kind of freaks them out. I have anxiety attacks. I have flashbacks. I am less willing to implicitly trust someone. I have trouble making friends.”
On the other hand, Devon has also got opportunities and experienced things which she would have never got unless all this had happened. “I’ve done interviews with news sources from around the world, I consulted on a Hollywood film, I lobbied for stricter gun regulations in Washington, I met President Clinton three times, I met Michael Moore, whose film meant a great deal to me, I wrote an article for Newsweek, I wrote a book of poetry with my friends, and so on,” she lists. “These are things that would never have been an option before,” twenty-four-year-old Devon admits.
“But I also find myself unable and unwilling to leave Colorado. My connection here is too deep,” she ponders. Many of her high school friends have already left the state. “I have trouble with personal relationships. As with those first days and weeks, when I get upset, I don’t like to be touched. I hate being coddled. I am always lonely.”
Devon has understood the shortness of life. Therefore she wants to live it the fullest and make the best of every single day. There is not a moment to waste. “The one thing that has stayed with me so strongly is the sense that life is really fucking short. That each day is a beautiful, precious gift,” she says.
“My family pressures me to get a crap job, but if I’m not enjoying it, what is the point? I could die tomorrow and I already have too many regrets. I will not accumulate more,” she argues, with good cause.
Devon will not gainsay the influence of Columbine.
“Columbine changed my life. It is a part of who I am. I think about every day. I have not ‘gotten over it’ – but I also do not dwell on it. It’s a part of my past – it will affect my future,” she philosophizes. “But it is not an excuse.” “
– excerpt from “A lasting impression. The impact of Columbine” (2007)  by Sasha Huttunen. pp. 294-295

thedogdaysuniverse:

“Dylan was sitting in his room. He was alone. It was Monday.
A peaceful Monday evening.
He stretched for an empty notebook from the shelves. Sitting himself in front of the large desk, he took a yellow-covered pen from a circular penholder. He had so much pain and emotion inside him that he just needed to get it out on paper.
Even though Dylan had snapped the desk lamp on, it was dim and some areas of the table were covered in darkness, a depressing darkness. The angular desk lamp mainly let off light on the spread of Dylan’s virginal notebook. However, it didn’t shed light on his face. Dylan’s face was dark, like his soul, unknown and shadowed.
The pen was moving and chafing against the cover of the notebook.
Dylan was writing.
“Fact: People are so unaware. Well, Ignorance is bliss, I guess. That would explain my depression.”
Dylan saw here, there and everywhere people who were naïve. They weren’t real. They weren’t thinking. They didn’t understand the problems in the world. Sometimes Dylan felt he was the only one who understood the reality. Others were partying, happily ignorantly, but Dylan couldn’t because he was thinking too much.  […] Philosopher Francis Bacon once said that “Knowledge is power”, but for Dylan that power had turned into pain. He turned the first page and marked the date: March 31, 1997.
“This is a weird time, weird life, weird existence,” Dylan began.
[…]
The problems he saw weren’t just social or worldly. He also saw his own weaknesses and felt he himself had failed as a human, and hadn’t been able to meet other people’s expectations. It felt like no one needed him and he was doomed to be depressed for that.
He had done all kinds of things to cleanse himself spiritually. Trying to be more extroverted. Trying to get drunk more often. Trying different kinds of personalities. But nothing helped. It was like he had this eternal stamp on himself; no matter what he did, what he said, or what he was like, the result was always the same. […]
The past haunted Dylan’s mind. Did he make some mistakes that led to this sorry state of his today? Were there some things he could have done differently?”
– excerpt from “A lasting impression. The impact of Columbine” (2007)  by Sasha Huttunen. pp.52-53

thedogdaysuniverse:

Support for Dylan’s family, memorial site for Dylan
“One day while researching, Tish felt strange while reading about Dylan Klebold. She saw something familiar in him. “I had found a lot of information on Dylan, and realized that he and I had a lot of things in common, such as music and other things,” Tish ponders. “But even to this day, I cannot explain why I became intrigued on researching Dylan and his family.”
Eventually, Tish decided to create a memorial website for Dylan Klebold in order to preserve the memory of who he once was before becoming a broken school shooter. She also wanted to do it in support of the Klebold family, which Tish felt much sympathy towards.
“Dylan’s mother is such a sweet human being; I know this personally,” she says. “I saw over the years how horribly Dylan’s family was and is treated. There is no sense in anyone being treated this way. People don’t understand it, but they are doing the same thing to Dylan’s parents that kids at Columbine High School did to Dylan. They don’t see that.”
Although it is highly controversial to make a respectful memorial website to a person who murdered innocent people, according to Tish there has been more positive feedback than negative. “Surprisingly,” she admits.
“I get several e-mails all of the time from people thanking me for the great work I’m doing, even e-mails from older people. The most rewarding feedback of all is from Dylan’s mom herself,” Tish says. “She and Dylan’s family very much appreciate what I do for their family and the work I do on the website. That means the world to me. The best thing of all is that I know I am making a difference.”
Besides the website project, Tish was also inspired to a more traditional project, in order to be compassionate towards the Klebold family. She decided to start collecting supportive letters fro people – letters which she would send as a big stack to Klebolds.
The response has been gratifying.
“It has been outstanding,” Tish smiles, delighted. “I have received many cards, letters and e-mails for the project. When I receive enough, I will be creating a nice layout of them into a binder, and will be sending it to Dylan’s family – to raise their spirits.” “
– excerpt from “A lasting impression. The impact of Columbine” (2007)  by Sasha Huttunen. pp.259-260

thedogdaysuniverse:

“Dylan’s friends liked his parents a lot. They were casual and convenient people, and one had to adore how close they were to both of their sons – without being too intrusive. Both Tom and Sue preached and practiced the values of empathy and loyalty to their sons. This was probably the reason why Dylan grew up to be such a courteous person who always considered what others would feel before doing or saying anything. He never wanted to disappoint his friends or make them feel bad. Dylan was interested in many things, but for some reason religion wasn’t a big deal for him. In contrast to his father, his mother was Jewish – although she didn’t try to force Dylan to be excited about the Jewish faith.”
– excerpt from “A lasting impression. The impact of Columbine” (2007)  by Sasha Huttunen. p. 46

It’s too bad this book is out of print and impossible to get a hold of now. Thanks so much for posting these excerpts at my request! 🙂

Chillin’ with Dylan

Tonight’s offering… Autechre – Amber

Autechre are an English electronic music duo consisting of Rob Brown and Sean Booth, both from Rochdale, Greater Manchester. Formed in 1987, they are one of the most prominent acts signed to Warp Records, a label known for its pioneering electronic music and through which all Autechre albums have been released.While heavily associated with IDM (intelligent dance music),  their music has incorporated a variety of genres and styles ranging from the generic (techno, hip-hop) to the experimental (ambient, experimental electro, musique concrète). 

I can picture Dyl playing tracks from his Autechre cds continuously looping and repeating, flowing from one tune into the next in the backdrop of his room with it’s repetitive, rhythmic beats and intricate, otherworldly, electroambient soundscapes while catching up on homework, reading, writing or turning it down super low at 1 am as he’s finishing up on a video game with Zack. Perfect thought provoking, meditative mind music to calm the mental chatter and help him hone in and focus.

Off the ‘94 album Amber   Play entire cd here

Autechre – 444   

Off the ‘93 album Incunabula   Play entire cd here

The ‘beats’ of 444  really captures his essence, total him, imo. 🙂 

Autechre – Nil

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Other offerings explored off Dyl’s CD List:

—> Doom Generation Sdtrk<—-
Ceiba – any
Prana – any

I hope you can aswer me . Did Dylan likes to travel? What kind of countries would he liked to visit? What was his point of view about latin people? Did he speak another language as well as English?

Dylan probably would’ve reeeeally liked to have traveled if he could’ve but I don’t think that was something his family did much , oddly enough.  It kind of seems like both boys’ families did not travel out-of-state or if they did so, it was a rare occasion for seeing relatives or something along those lines. It kind of seems too that traveling out of the country was something that they never got around to as a family either, but then, here in the US, many American families can’t afford such a trip or the luxury of time off from jobs to fully explore across the pond.   It’s really unfortunate because traveling could’ve opened up Dylan’s world for him, literally broadening his horizons by giving him new experiences to nourish his mind and new people to meet and socialize with. New people that wouldn’t have known him for who he was known as, set in stone, back home in that little rigid box known as Littleton.  

According to Devon Adams, Dylan really seemed to enjoy getting away in March ‘99 (one month before the massacre) when he took a trip with his family and Nate Dykeman to Arizona to look for college dorms. It’s almost as if he was sampling this alternative reality in the Southwest, might he have chosen to stick life out a bit longer and opt for college thing.  I think the change of scenery for that entire week was good for him. He probably saw it as his last big adventure vacation of his life and in that span of a week he forgot his troubles, being thoroughly distracted with the trip and in good spirits.  Being a gifted kid meant he would get bored easily in one place with the same ‘ol so I think traveling regularly would’ve been an excellent aid in keeping him stimulated with new environs and cultures. To feel good and enriched, he’d need to explore and have those adventures that his brain was craving but was being utterly deprived of in the hum-drum, routine-like suburbs. And I think because he was raised in such a stifling, insular culture all his life, he didn’t really have much of a learned opinion about other cultures, like for instance, as you’d asked  Latin peoples, – well, other than the racial stereo-types drilled into his perception.  There was just not enough diversity to shake up the ignorant, narrow-minded bigotry seeping into his brain by way of peers. Though, I think if he got out there and traveled and had those opportunities to experience landscape, people and cultures dissimilar to himself, he’d would’ve grown exponentially mentally and emotionally as well an all the intellectual stuff he’d eat up like a sponge.  So, to answer your question, sadly, Dylan likedly didn’t travel much in all of his seventeen years. He was stuck in the white-bread, Christian suburbs of Littleton, Colorado. Like the majority of American high school students, he took the usual language classes expected. In high school, he took French and in middle school a bit of German but he never practiced enough or had the opportunity to apply any of the text-book languages he learned enough to be considered multilingual.  He spoke English basically. Where would he have liked to travel?  Any damn where other than Littleton I’d say would’ve been good enough for him as a starting point. lol   To start with, those teenage road trips across the US states would’ve been a good antidote to distract him from his depression and trips with friends anywhere in the UK and Europe would’ve been wondrous and potentially life-changing food for his soul. 

Do you think Dylan get in love of a jewish girl if she would be amorous with him? if she would asked him to be her boyfriend??

Well, Dylan was part Jewish himself and he didn’t seem to have a problem with that about himself lol so no, I think it would be a non-issue.Plus, it would more depend on whether he was attracted to the girl physically and personality wise and if she was actually friendly and spunky enough to flirt with him a little then all that other stuff would just fall to the wayside. He’d be a goner.

Do you think seeing John Savage took a little out of Dylan’s power run? Eric’s too, even though he didn’t know him as well

Yeah, that’s a good way of putting it too. It’s like someone they knew on a friendly bases was in their awareness and that nice person they liked was bearing witness to the two of them doing horrible things and so in the midst of that very awkward exchange where John was tentatively asking Dylan what exactly he was doing in a trembling voice, it sort of pinched Dylan and Eric incrementally back to their senses. The exchange must have been as bizarre and surreal for Dylan and Eric as it was for John who thought it ‘chilling’.  The bombs not blowing, Eric busting his nose and now this kill joy incident of a friend caught in their cross fire, John the nice, sort of innocent, Mormon guy who had a smile for everyone – and in his eyes looking back at the two was sort of like him symbolically holding a mirror back at them when he said “well are you going to kill me too?” Sort of a ‘am I also a lamb to your slaughter when I thought you two were nice guys?’ kind of accountability thrown back in their faces.  Just another incident to take the wind of their sails when they planned to be remorseless killers destroying everything in their path and having nothing but bad ass fun.

I’m not angry at you; I just don’t dig what you were doing. The title of your blog too, very much seemed to imply exactly what I was not liking even if you protested otherwise. And no, I didn’t block you and no, I don’t intend to. But I hope you can at least try to appreciate my feeling on the matter. Thanks for being respectful of my wishes. 👍🏻❤️

Would Columbine have found and destroyed all the textbooks the killers ever used? I thought for sure I saw a confession on a Columbine blog years ago that someone got one Dylan had used and “forgot” to turn it in and kept it bc he touched it.

I highly doubt they’d let those continue to circulate. Before the school was even reopened in the fall, all occurrences of textbooks belonging to the killers and victims would’ve been removed and replaced with new ones. People tend to throw out unsubstantiated claims all the time on the internet to win them attention. But I’d go with the standard rule of thumb ‘pics or it didn’t happen’ and even then, people might attempt to imitate Dylan’s writing in a textbook as proof. But the way his handwriting looks lol let’s just say I could tell if it was genuine or not. Not too long ago, someone posted two tapes with poorly faked “REB’s TAPE’ on one of them and scrawled Jeffco case numbers. I’m not sure if they were actually claiming they knew someone that had the basement tapes or were just spoofing. It looked so ridiculous I thought it had to be a joke yet people ‘liked’ the heck out of it. Idk if some people bought it but I thought it was amusing either way, if it was a joke or if they were actually attempting to convince people they glimpsed The Tapes. 😉 Basically what I’m saying here is, don’t believe everything people claim at face value especially when there is no proof we can look at to validate it for ourselves.