No, because they recorded with 90s videotaping camcorders and tape media which were a poorer grade than the high def stuff technology we have today. You could filter sharpen it to an extent but it wouldn’t be all that much of an improvement. And honestly, if it could’ve been done, it would’ve nearly 20 years on.
Do you think that Eric and Dylan knew that their bombs weren’t going to go off, and that they were a little disappointed by that?
I think Eric and Dylan didn’t even so far as consider that their bombs just might possibly never go off. They were that naively cock-sure that they this was all meant to happen, they were meant to do this thing, and that they, and NBK, were an unstoppable force. Unfortunately, reality was a rude awakening which figuratively blew up their fantasy plot instead of literally the school. According to the physical, scientific, rules of this world, the bombs were not wired in a manner that would make them go off and also, propane bombs actually take a fair bit of time to heat up to reach a point where they explode. Given that, you can imagine what a sinking feeling, crash of a let down it was for the two. Especially for Eric – it simultaneously pissed him off and demoralized Eric because the bombs were supposed to be the center piece of their surprise attack and in the end, he couldn’t even do that right. ‘Disappointed’ is a light word.
The Opposite of Suicide By Kyle Mustain
These are places where we spend a lot of our lives. Although these institutions tell us they are “Helping Students Achieve Their Dreams,” they tend to garner hostile, cold associations. People dread being in these places, either from the terrible things they have heard of taking place within the walls, or from the terrible things that have happened to us while we were there. Facing our horrors every day and learning to coexist with people we hate and fear is part of growing up. But it does take its toll. While they may form some of us to be strong, they render many of us weak. These environments unwittingly cultivate anomalies like Eric and Dylan.
People who lack empathy. People who spend their days telling other people what they cannot do. Don’t wear that shirt. Don’t wear so much makeup. Don’t say those words. Don’t think those things. Don’t be that way. People who live their lives upon a foundation of doublespeak. People who say they have “A Commitment to Excellence,” while they perform the exact opposite every day, as if it’s their job.
Excellent and rather long article. I like that he’s skeptical in regards to Cullen and Fuselier and doesn’t buy into their rhetoric. Click the link above for more!

Pensive boy
Wow. like, wow. You captured Essence of Dylan right there in poetic form. Beautifully done! 💖
The selfishness goes both ways. A loved one wanting to keep that person alive because they will be in pain without that person is just as selfish as someone taking their life because that said person is suffering, then again its their life they get to decide what to do with it, not anyone else, even if that person ends up grieving them in the end.
Is their a certain amount of selfishness on a love ones part to keep the suicidal person alive? Yes, sure, of course there is. The question asked though was whether I think it’s “selfish” to commit suicide and my ‘take’ is that it is, for the reasons I gave. I’m not sure I agree with the rationalized statement ‘it’s my life so I get to decide what to do with it.’ Because, yes, sure, you get to decide what to do with your life but does that arbitrarily include you also pulling the plug on your life? Well, you may as well say ‘I get to decide what to do with my death’ because by ending your life it is not quite the same thing as deciding what to do with your life – since you won’t be living it anymore. A good majority on this planet don’t feel it’s our own right to end what we started in being born into this world. In taking our literal life in our hands and making that decision to cut it short (and the potentiality of the future that goes along with it), we are making a arbitrarily selfish decision to excise it from this worldly existence and to deny others around us from connecting and experiencing more with us. So, is it selfish for others to not want to lose us? Yes. Is it an unreasonable selfishness? No, not really. When we love and care about someone we don’t want them to go unless they leave us by natural causes. I do think though that there is an obligation that goes along with that for family, friends, loved ones and people that just plain know you in some way, to reach out if they know that you are struggling. For if we don’t try to reach out and try to help in some way, it is also selfish. Abandoning, ignoring, and giving up on people is also a selfish choice. Because no one can do this all alone here in this difficult world on Planet Earth. Even if they cannot help you themselves and can only attempt to guide you to resources. You can’t just expect someone that is struggling and unhappy to live without help simply because you don’t want them to never ever go away. We are all connected and when each of us isolate and make our own choices regardless of anyone else might feel, all of it is ultimately ‘selfish’. And surviving casualties of suicide will get hurt and damaged when we decide the selfish choice that is ‘suicide’. That is a given. Again here, I am not arguing whether I am for or against suicide. I’m examining “selfishness” in the context of it.
Do you think Suicide is selfish? Dylan’s situation aside.. do you think it’s a selfish act?
I think it is ultimately an extreme selfish act which is motivated by desperation to stop your inner pain and suffering. To have silence and peace, free from your tormented thoughts. Those who decide and choose to kill themselves are solely making the decision to pull the plug on their life and for their own personal reasons. It is done in exclusion to fully considering what family, friends, co-workers and others may think and feel about you yanking your presence from them permanently when they are used to you being in their lives and they love and care about you. If the person chooses to still end their life, even in knowing full well how much they’ll cause pain in their lives, it is done regardless of other’s reactions. Of course, many suicidal people will rationalize that people won’t miss them at all. Any decision that is done with a permanence that will potentially harm other people (and possibly cause them to feel suicidal themselves as a result) is a selfish decision. Understand I’m not judging whether it’s wrong or right. I’m merely answering your question as to whether it is selfish or not. 🙂 The cause and effect of suicide are devasting for those that are forced to survive the loss of a loved one without a say. All you have to do is think of Sue’s face and the weight of the pain and grief that she is still struggling with 19 years later. That is the consequence of Dylan’s selfish decision to destroy not only himself (which she created) but arbitrarily steal the lives of others as well. The burden becomes the survivors.
do you know of when the evolution of Dylan’s intentions with the massacre began? same with Eric?
After the January Incident when the two got arrested for the van theft on January 30, 1998. In my opinion, that is when a match was lit under the two and they joined forces in their mutually destructive desires and motivations. That was the tipping point in their devolution, that boulder’s roll momentum to commit mass homicide to exact grand-scale revenge and to commit to dying on this mission.
IS IT TRUE THAT BRANDI WENT LITERALLY INSANE AND TRAUMATIZED SO SHE TURNED TO DRUGS THEN WENT MISSING AND HAS BEEN MISSING SINCE??????? I HAVE THE POST IF YOU WANNA SEE IT ITS CRAZY
Untrue.. but go ahead and send the link if you’d like.
I think you may have been reading about Brandi Jo Malonson not Brandi Tinklenberg
and why ALL CAPS ANON ?
I guess I see it differently because my grandparents survived the holodomor, it’s sad that it’s not seen “as offensive”.
I’m sorry you took it personally and sorry too about your grandparents enduring such an atrocity. 😦 That said, in relation to this particular question, I was answering in the specific context as to whether the pin would’ve personally been offensive to the Klebold household in the US during the late nineties and not in a global sense. However, there is a possibility too that since the Klebold’s have some Russian/Ukraine heritage on his mother’s side of the family that she may have not been happy about the pin – that is if she knew about it at all. He may have fastened it on after he’d left the house. But it’s difficult to say and I was surmising which symbolism would likely have been taken as most personally offensive to his parents. As a citizen of the US, I will say that Nazi symbolism is much more shocking and offence as there is more of an awareness of the notorious history that it represents. It’s particularly extremely offensive and disrespectful to those of the Jewish faith here.
Sue says in her book “Neither of us would ever have tolerated any hate speech or anti-Semitic imagery in our home or on Dylan’s clothing.” so then how did she not react to a hammer and sickle? and do you think dylan would’ve been able to rationalize any offensive imagery with her as “it’s just for shock value”?
Well, a Hammer and Sickle Soviet pin doesn’t exactly have the same negative, offence connotations as Nazi German symbolism for a Jewish mom. That pin might have been a tad more irreverent and offensive in the 80s with the Cold War but not by the late nineties. I think most of what Sue saw Dylan wear she just chalked it up to him being a rebellious, edgy teenager trying to establish an individual look for himself. She saw it as typical, harmless teenage stuff. In the Diane Sawyer interview that aired February 2016, she essentially said that she was not fussed with Dylan wearing a trench coat because she was an art student in her youth and dressed unusually herself to assert her own personal aesthetic expression. And yes, anything that his mom may have questioned him wearing or him having plastered up on his bedroom walls, he’d simply assured her with a shrug ‘doesn’t mean anything’ or ‘it looks cool’ and that would put an end to that line of questioning. But I think he was well aware of how far he could push something considered “offensive” in his household and if he hypothetically owned anything anti-Semitic, he would’ve had the presence of mind to not wear any of that while around his parents or relatives.
Do you think people today, are reminded of columbine / remember what they went through ? Like survivors or Eric and Dylan’s friends..
Of course, they are. Reminded excruciatingly so every spring, when April is on the horizon, or with every mass shooting that occurs in which the media always bring up Columbine by default – just cause they like to compare everything against it even when it’s no longer a relevant comparison, or when fireworks go off during the Fourth of July or when a very loud, flashy ambulance drives by or when their friends hear an old NIN song or‘ Take My Breath Away’ or see a vintage BMW drive past…………. Always and forever. Eternally reminded.
I agree with your explanation of why Eric would be clingy&possessive in a hypothetical relationship as opposed to Dylan. I think Dylan’s open longing for love & being a romantic misleads people into reaching a conclusion that he’s be clingy. Because when you actually look at their personalities & their relationships it becomes pretty clear. Both certainly had trouble socially but Dylan was much more successful at maintaining friendships while Eric didn’t and seemed to have isolationist leanings.
Agreed but I do think because both were starving for some sort of connection with female companionship the two would struggle with their own needy desperation though expressed in differing ways. Eric would try to control and hold on tight until things would either fizzle or explode and he’d lose the girl. It would be the girl wanting out as was always the case in just a few dating relationships he’d had. And Dylan would be there all the way in his steady, loyal, dutiful, commitment just like he was with every long-lasting friendship he ever had. Even when the relationship had spoiled and it was long past the expiration point for breaking up, and the negative (or apathetic) interactions far outweighed the positives, he would have a tendency to become the doormat with his girlfriend. He’d not be able to – would be unwilling to – come to terms with the fact that that relationship was deader than a doornail. He would focus on the memory of how things used to be and be stuck in denial trying to rekindle the happiness he thought he’d finally found with a girl in their early days together. He’d go along with the pretend facsimile of an a-okay relationship all the while holding her hand walking with her to class even if he was inwardly mad, silent and sullen with her that week. He would try to avoid breaking up because it meant he’d be all alone again without “a love”. The girl would have to end things for him and he would take it very hard. He would take it extremely personally because it would signify he was a failure.
How did Nicole and Chris meet and begin dating?
I don’t rightly know how they met or became a couple. Nicole had mutual girlfriends that were part of the TCM so I think dating around within that social circle happened regularly. The outcasts that didn’t fit within the school’s accepted ‘normal’ social circles paired off within their small circle of friends from getting to know one another as friends or acquaintances first. Robyn once dated Chris briefly too which I think just amounted to them going out together a few times. I do know that Nicole and Chris kept their being a couple secret while at school. I’m not sure why that is but perhaps because of Chris’ hothead reputation. Just my speculation.. Nicole was just the right type of girl for him and she tamed his beast as none of his previous dates had managed to.
I noticed an ask from last year about the last clip of Hitmen for Hire of Dylan and Chris swearing at the camera and wanted to share my opinion. I always thought it was them censoring themselves and talking like that on purpose, I could be wrong though.
That’s plausible too since they were filming HMFH for Eric’s class project. They did use ‘frickin’ in E & D’s camera rants.
Brooks Brown & Chris Morris 911 Call on 4/20/99
Interesting..never heard these before.
0:00 Randy and Brooks Brown
3:03 Chris Morris
Chris doesn’t even know how to pronounce or spell ‘Klebold’. omg lol
Believes they may have an AK-47. Hmmkay, Chris.
Do you have any song NOT BASED ON COLUMBINE that reminds you the guys? Mine is Numb-Linkin Park
One that comes to mind for me regarding both boys’ mindset is
In the Pit by Combichrist. A band I think that they, most especially Eric, would’ve liked.
Also Turn Up by Terrorbyte and I think this amazing video put together by @rebdomine-rebismine just cinches it. It’s my absolute No. #1 fav vid of hers! ❤
Did Joe Stair die?
2007 suicide by hanging.
how do you use the e-c search ??
See here.
Do you think Sue reflects on Dylan’s journal entries?
I think Sue reflects on every. single. solitary. thing. about Dylan and that she’s committed to memory much of his writings to the point of it haunting her as she did not have a clue how much he suffered while he lived and breathed with her under the same roof.
Dear E-C I was hoping for whatever answer was in your heart as always :) thank you for answering, I think my feelings are changing. I think as a writer I would love to do a story like that justice. However I’m not sure if anyone could. I think the book is great as a book.
(I believe your response is the question about doing a mini-series on Sue’s book?) I’m glad you’re open to my honest, at times, blunt opinion and that you don’t take it personally. I’m just essentially answering questions with my immediate reaction so thanks for allowing me that space. 🙂 I would love to see what you could write but I agree that it would be super hard to do Sue’s story justice.
