Wouldn’t the police have confiscated the basement tapes if they had sent them to the media?

Back in the day, when school shootings weren’t so fashionably ennui and unoriginal, the media was all over the place vying for a story to the point where they were overbearing and unscrupulous for a scoop. The media even released the Basement Tape transcripts inappropriately with TIME magazine  right around the holidays of ‘99 which opened many families’ wounds.  The media was less mindful back then and just went about everything wrong, without consideration to the victims and then got their hand slapped for it after the fact. Had Dylan and Eric’s mailed their tapes directly to four media sources, you can bet at least one or two of them would’ve wanted to have the edge over the rest by running with that story of publishing the tapes. This was before youtube so we’re talking snippets of the tapes showing up in 20/20 or Primetime Live or even that dramatic “Columbine Massacre of Tragedy’ documentary switching back and forth between E & D on the tapes back to each of the victims noble stories.  It’s just very different now days because these shootings happen so nauseatingly often that the media has been told to only refer to them as ‘the shooter’ and not to acknowledge their actual names or to not give them any sort of attention which would play into the celebrity attention they were ultimately seeking.  I mean, it still happens, with the media coverage received for Virginia Tech, Adam Lanza and Eliot Rodger but not to the lenient degree Eric and Dylan received back in the day.   Eric and Dylan were on the cover of People magazine and had larger photos that dwarfed the victim photos. How insulting is that to the victims’ families and what sort of message does that send out to the world?  All the media cared about at that time period was getting the dirt on these infamous teenage shooters. Hell, why not make them gay trench coat goths too to make it more racy?. 😉 The late nineties sensationalism to this degree would never happen that blatantly politically incorrect in this day and age. Now, the primary focus of news coverage is ensuring that attention is given to the victims as a first priority so as not to be gratuitous with the perpetrators.  Yes, because of the innocent time it was, the Basement Tapes would’ve been ripe for being broadcast by the media before the police ever ceased anything from them.

Hi. In regards to your “What is Dylan’s favorite song” question, where did you get that information? I’m curious as to where you found out as Dylan Klebold will always be, just like you said in your bio, my favorite contrasting symbol :)

Dylan never stated which song was his favorite but as someone asked what I thought he would consider was his ‘favorite’, my strong sense of feeling is that he’d say that Disarm was a top favorite because it represented exactly how he saw himself in this world.  Too intelligent, too self aware and ‘old in his shoes’  as a young boy and always, always, that deep sense and fear of abandonment and separateness from others. It’s his deep feelings of sadness, silently crying out inside, yet all you see is his smile concealing all the pain.

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I also get the sense that he liked the chill beat of Chico’s Groove by the Chemical Brothers which has no vocals just a few voice samples. It’s why he wrote it so many times in his day planner and also in his yearbook signature to people.  It’s embodies the spirit of Dyl when he is in a fleeting happy-go-lucky mood. In fact, there is a part of that song in the beginning that I’ve had ‘oh wow!’ synchronous recognition with another artist’s song that I’d been listening to and realized in a flash why I was so into that song on a subconscious level. It was almost as though his spiritual signature was embedded in this other song and it completely echoed Chico’s Groove in the exact rhythm. It feels like Dyl is the only way I can describe it..

And…I’m not sure about what else you were asking?   Can you rephrase it please?

Are Eric and Dylan’s diaries we have the full released diaries?

As far as I know, the claim is that their journals were released in their entirety but Jeffco doesn’t really have a good track record when it comes to honesty. I would bet there might be more bits of their journals we’ve never seen. Plus, I know there was a lot more released for Eric than Dylan. We don’t nearly have as much of his school work assignments or diversion documents such as his apology letter to the victim of the van theft.  

What was written in that letter to Dylan? What were some of the things written on his cross?

The letter is private and so no one knows the specific contents of it. It is a confession letter, generally speaking, declaring she realized that she had fallen in love with Dylan.  

Some of the things written in Dylan’s memorial cross:

 “How can anyone forgive you?”
“Through Jesus Christ, That’s how!”
“May God have mercy on your soul”
“Sorry we all failed you”
“Forgive but never forget!!!!”
“No one is to blame”
“Hate breeds hate”
“Flowers for your family”
“Murdering (or Evil) bastard”
“Jesus will forgive”
“Jesus loved you”
“Why?”

There was also a sign posted on the front that said,
“Father, forgive them for they know not what they do ~ Jesus”  

I dont think when Eric wrote “me and Dylan” it was him putting himself first I think it was just improper grammar, which both of their journals have alot of. And also i don’t think he took him for granted, I think he knew the kind of friend he had in Dylan. If he didn’t I don’t think he would’ve been so fixated on him and their friendship. I think Dylan meant alot to him and not just because of NBK. Eric wrote that Dylan was his best friend before they started planning

I was pretty much being, at least, partially facetious about Eric starting his sentences ‘me and Dylan’ rather than ‘Dylan and I’.  Yes, the two had lazy/sloppy improper grammar in their journals but Eric was far worse of the two. Anyway…

Dylan and Eric met in Jr. High School and their bond cemented even deeper by the time they worked at Blackjack in Sophomore year of high school. So, they knew each other pretty well by that point and they recognized that both had interests in common. They’d begun to seriously plan after the van theft arrest (March ‘98) so Eric was already sure even before this point that Dylan was a true blue friend, good enough to be considered Eric’s ‘best friend’. Dylan was there for Eric. He proved himself worthy through his actions like for example, working a double shift at Blackjack so that Eric could tend to his sick dog because Dylan knew how much that dog meant to Eric not that Dylan liked working or was thrilled about earning a larger paycheck. He did it as a favor to his good friend.

Nate didn’t win over Kristi, Kristi liked Eric more than him

Nate liked Kristi, Kristi liked Eric, Eric liked Alyssa Sechler..that is, until Nate started dating Kristi, then Eric started flirting with Kristi and Nate and Eric had a falling out over it. Ultimately, Kristi and Nate attended prom together along with Dylan and Robyn. Eric didn’t attend prom because, well, he wasn’t able to find a girl to date him. So, I’d say that yes, Nate did win Kristi over.

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Hi. I’m hesitant to post this as I’m fearing judgement, but oh well. You know the “Beautiful as the sky” quote from Dylan’s journal? Is that 100% from Dylan? I’m pretty sure it is, but want to be 100% sure as I’m thinking about getting it tattooed, in his writing, exactly as how it appears. Some may find it silly but I find it really speaks to me and I’d love to have it on my body. Love your blog by the way. :)

No worries, not judgment here. And actually, this blog couldn’t exist here if there was, so.. Dylan was quoting lyrics from the song “Beautiful” by the Smashing Pumpkins.  Thanks for the blog love ❤ and good luck on that tattoo.

“Beautiful”

Beautiful, you’re beautiful, as beautiful as the sun
Wonderful, you’re wonderful, as wonderful as they come
And I can’t help but feel attached
To the feelings I can’t even match
With my face pressed up to the glass, wanting you
Beautiful, you’re beautiful, as beautiful as the sky
Wonderful, it’s wonderful, to know that you’re just like I
And I’m sure you know me well, as I’m sure you don’t
But you just can’t tell
Who’ll you love and who you won’t
And I love you, as you love me
So let the clouds roll by your face
We’ll let the world spin on to another place
We’ll climb the tallest tree above it all
To look down on you and me and them
And I’m sure you know me well, as I’m sure you don’t
But you just can’t tell, who you’ll love and who you won’t
Don’t let your life wrap up around you
Don’t forget to call, whenever
I’ll be here just waiting for you
I’ll be under your stars forever
Neither here nor there just right beside you
I’ll be under the stairs forever
Neither here nor there just right beside you

It upsets me that Dylan was bullied. He seemed like such a chill person. Yeah, he was shy but he would have opened up eventually. I would have loved to befriend him and listen to some gnarly tunes while chilling in his room or something. He had some pretty sick taste in music. I guess some people were just too blind to see the good in him. I can’t help but feel bad for all the shit he had to go through.

But let’s not forget that Dylan also participated in bullying upon occasion and ultimately chose to become the ultimate, cruel and merciless of all bullies on 4/20. Yes, he was a chill, shy dude who had great taste in music, and yes, we can feel empathy for him for being victimized and bullied. We understand his pain as our own. Dylan suffered and endured shame and pain and internalized it until he was numb and depressed and apathetic. It changed and calloused him until he reached the point where bullying others weaker than him was gratifying and that eventually, murdering people suddenly didn’t seem like such a bad solution to having the last word with all of humanity, So, we also must keep in mind that Dylan, like each one of us, had shades of gray, that potential for goodness and brilliance but also that

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to giving in to the bad and the ugly.  That in his need to displace the anger, self-hatred and pain – the lack of self worth resulting from his own bullying-  caused him to become the very thing that injured him, the very thing he hated. The bullied transforming into the bully. We should keep in mind of the duality within himself that he struggled with and wrote about in journal as the everlasting contrast symbol which has relevance to us all.  That he is anyone of us, in our own moments of weakness, giving in and succumbed to the wrong and easy choices, to becoming the wolf going after easy prey and relishing it for a moments self gratification. I can’t help but feel badly for him too, you know. So, I understand what you mean when you feel so strongly about the wonderfulness you prefer to see about him.  It’s just that we shouldn’t be blind to the flaws about him too which are a part of his ordinary complexity, struggles and ultimate tragedy as a human being.

I’ve seen a picture of Dylan wearing a KMFDM shirt, someone’s holding a microphone up to him. Do you know what exact shirt that is? I love KMFDM and would love to own the shirt Dylan wore. I can’t make it out due to it being cut off in the picture.

Dylan is being interviewed for the RNN (Rebel News Network) in that video and is wearing an XTORT t-shirt from the KMFDM title album XTORT. Incidentally, a title track on that album is called Wrath.

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Vintage nineties version front and back…;)

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Hello! I read somewhere that Dylan was inclined to feminism. Do you know the source for this piece of information?

I’ve never really seen a legit media source that specifically verifies as such. I do think that based on how Dylan was raised within his liberal family culture, his parents, primarily Sue, likely raised and taught him to treat women respectfully and to view them as equals. I guess the best source we have is the source himself.  Though he’s not necessarily a reliable one at that. 😉  Dylan never specifically states unequivocally that he considers himself to be ‘a feminist’. I somehow doubt given the macho male circle he hung out in that he’d ever openly volunteer as such. His  ‘hate list’ which he was brainstorming for his future website, mentions:  “people that are assholes to chicks” and, interestingly enough (after my last post on this topic), “sexists” – even though we know he more than likely did partake in at least some sexist comments while in the company of Eric and friends.  As for ‘people who are assholes to chicks’,  well, Dylan was just that  upon a few recorded occasions in gym class. Oopsy! And what about those ‘racists’? I think I’ll just quit while I’m ahead here because both boys had a knack for hypocrisy… Oh well, best laid intentions for a seventeen year old dude,  😉 

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Do you know exactly what things Dylan and Eric said that were sexist? Thank you!

Here’s a few. A couple legitimately recorded on the Basement Tapes and the other, is supposed accounts witnessed by Columbine students.  

Excerpts from the Basement Tapes:

“Yes, moms stay home. That’s what women are supposed to f—ing do.”
– Harris, on the role of women.

“F—ing make me dinner, bitch.” – Harris, on what he would say to a woman. 

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Harris: “Shut the fuck up, Nick, you laugh too much! And those two girls sitting next to you,
they probably want you to shut the fuck up, too! Jesus! Rachel and Jen .. . and … whatever.”

Klebold: “I don’t like you, Rachel and Jen, you’re stuck up little bitches, you’re fucking
little . .. Christian, Godly little whores!”

Harris: Yeah … “I love Jesus! I love Jesus!” — shut the fuck up!”

Klebold: “What would Jesus do? What the fuck would I do?”

*Klebold acts like he’s shooting the camera with his hand, with sound to accompany it.*  

and..

Excerpts copied from a Columbine Yahoo Group that was created long ago circa September 1999 that paid “tribute” to the Columbine killers. These types of yahoo groups are either dormant or long since defunct but the incidences were captured of what alleged Columbine witnesses described that they saw/heard Eric and Dylan say in the school.  I think it’s credible these types of exchanged happened with these two as part of their behavior of a ‘pack mentality’. When the two got together, or also in the company of other dudes, they acted out and behaved badly to show off. Yet, by themselves in the company of girls, they behaved themselves and were subdued and more or less respectful gentlemen. Unless..they didn’t like a certain girl -or guy – for a certain reason of course. 😉

For anyone interested, I found a couple of quotes from one of the groups a while back that I saved. I can’t remember what group these are from. I’m sorry. One is friends with someone who went to school with Harris and Klebold (I’ll call her girl) and the other is that friend (boy). I highly doubt either account is still active but I won’t post the usernames regardless. I’m copy-pasting so forgive the spelling and awkward structure.

”..eric and dylan were standing at the very end of a hallway. and they were standing there talking to two other guys. one of the guys was complaining about his girlfriend [troubles he was having with her, fights, etc] and they were talking about it and eric said ”these bitches need to learn to stay in their place”. and they nodded their agreement. and then he went on to say how the world was fucked up about that now because in the 1500’s women knew what they were supposed to do- clean, fuck, and cook. one of the guys said something about having kids and he said oh yea and keeping the shitty human race going. this was a while before the shootings and they all laughed of course..” (girl)

”..he also told me of another incident which in a way highlights their attitude towards women—-eric and dylan and a few other guys were watching theses two blonde girls one day. they were standing talking to each other. one was sucking on a lollipop as she talked to the other one. eric called to them and he said ”hey i’ll give you something to suck on” and made an obscene gesture involving his crotch.. the girls were all pissed off and they stomped away. dylan and the other guys didn’t say anything , but they hooped and yelled.he said that eric was a perv a lot of the time.” (girl)

”..i had no classes with them. they were really cool guys. eric was very funny. dylan was nice and polite. where you saw one you always , almost saw the other one. they were really close friends. they were always talking to each other. sometimes they would carry out these long convos in german. eric was very forceful about some things. dylan was too in ways but not as much as eric. they always tried to defend themselves against assholes, but sometimes it was just too much for them. people in the caf would throw things at their table;say mean things. they were humilated but angry. some people liked them but most thought they were weirdos. dylan’s feelings were easy hurt. dylan was so big physically he looked a little scary but he was nice. erics sense of humor was sarcastic a lot of the time. they talked about girls a lot. eric was kind of a perv. but he was nice to girls most of the time.” (boy)

”..one time they were talking about that David Koresh guy. they were saying that he had had the perfect setup. they were talking about how cool it was that he had all those wives and kids. and they said they wished they could have the same thing. eric said it would be awesome to have all those women under your complete control. and dylan agreed. eric said that you can have all the children to let the world know that you were master of your domain and dylan said yeah. eric said he would give his children AND his wives a hard smack on the ass if they got out of line .and dylan said he would do the same thing. they talked about how cool it would be to live in a huge house with all their wives. but eric said they would have a much better place than koresh had. that he wouldn’t live in a place like that. they talked about all the cool guns he had and that it would be great to make your living selling guns like he did. they just seemed very fascinated by his lifestyle.”

Zach wore dark clothes too though, and actually on the night Eric and Dylan were arrested they were hanging out with Zach Heckler in their cars. Zach left earlier, and then Eric and Dylan were bored, and then went on to do the stupid thing that pretty much changed their lives. But Zach was still Eric’s bud by Jan ’98

Yes, Zack would sometimes wear the dark clothing too; he shared in his love of NIN with Dylan and wore the band’s dark nihilistic t-shirts.  However, Zack didn’t really participate in the trenchcoat wearing. (By comparison, Nate Dykeman occasionally wore his trench).

According to Columbine: A True Crime Story by Jeff Kass:  “On Friday, January 30, Eric, Dylan, and Zach were in a car at a local church listening to music, according to written statements Eric and Dylan later gave police. Around 8:30 p.m. Eric and Dylan left in Eric’s gray Honda Prelude to go home but stopped on a gravel road near a white van and red truck. Dylan says Eric set off some fireworks. Eric says, “We got out of my car and looked around for something to do. We found some beer bottles and we broke those for about 15 minutes.” 

Sue Klebold recounts in Far From the Tree: 
“ The spring of his junior year, Dylan had asked to spend the night at his friend Zack’s place, and when Zack had to cancel, Dylan took advantage and went driving with Eric. On their way to set off fireworks on a canyon road, they stopped at a parking lot and noticed a van with video equipment in the front seat..”

While Eric may have been still on friendly terms with Zack, by March ‘98, he no longer considered Zack a good enough friend to count on his Diversion Report questionnaire.  Only one close friend came easily to the forefront of Eric’s mind and that was 16 year old Dylan Klebold.

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do you think dylan warned brooks about the shooting before or that brooks is telling the truth and eric spared him (though eric seems to have hated him)?

Do you believe Brooks that Eric told him to go home on the day of the shooting though Eric hated him? perhaps Dylan warned him?

Excerpt from No Easy Answers, Page 14

I don’t really remember what (4th Period Creative Writing class) Mrs. Kelly had us do that day. I was already thinking about going home after fourth period and missing my last class. I had stayed up late on my computer the night before, and I was tired. I already had my cigarettes in hand by the time the bell rang to signify the end of the period. I had no idea that this would be the last time I would ever attend a class at Columbine High School. That it was the last time I’d ever take a philosophy test, or write a paper for Mrs. Kelly, or grade papers for Mrs. Caruthers, or play dodgeball in gym class. The world I knew was about to be altered forever. As I took a drag on my cigarette, I was a little surprised to see Eric suddenly pull into the parking lot right in front of me. It seemed strange that he would skip two classes, then suddenly show up back at school.


First of all, as a little aside, I just want to say that it’s a little suspect how Brooks underscores how he left Creative Writing class and started smoking a cigarette.. on school grounds, mind you.  Smoking isn’t really permitted on school grounds.  I mean, the whole reason for the Smokers Pit was to allow a designated place for students to go smoke off grounds because the Pit is situated within Clemente Park bordering on the edge of Columbine but not directly on campus. Dylan sometimes used to smoke in his car during lunch break. That must have felt hella rebellious for him to do.   Buuut… lighting up a smoke right on campus in front of entrance ways and rows of windows plus the potential school guard driving by on his usual patrol of campus..that’s ah, really something, Brooksie.  I do have to say, I slightly question whether that would be possible to do or if he was just embellishing that ‘scene’ right as he was about to confront Eric. 

Anyway.. on to your question:

I don’t believe that Dylan blatantly warned Brooks with the specifics as to what he and Eric planned to do.   Brooks mentions he was considering ditching his last class after 4th period Creative Writing and he doesn’t offer in his book what class that was.  I tend to think that Dylan knew what class he went to fifth period and it wasn’t the commons or the library so he knew Brooks would be somewhat safe and would probably escape on his own.  Dylan may also have considered that since it was Senior ditch day on 4/20, that it was a good bet that Brooks would just skip out his last class as they pretty much all were doing lately.

Dylan may have hinted in a subtle way to Brooks with suggestive hints along the lines of:  ‘Man, I’m so sick of it here, I think I’m going to ditch my last classes Tuesday, are you planning to?’     Plus, I think Dylan felt Brooks was somehow safe enough given where he’d be at that point in time on 4/20 and that Brooks would be smart enough to get out.  

Yes, I believe it’s plausible according to Brooks’ story that he confronted Eric pulling up and getting out of his car, and in the wrong parking lot space for that matter, and that Eric told him ‘he liked him now and to go home’.  Where I do find it suspect is when Brooks said he felt uneasy when Eric commanded him to leave and so then Brooks actually does just that – he just took off and did as Eric told him to like an obedient puppy.  That’s the odd part for me.  The moment Brooks started walking away, he immediately started thinking Eric was up to something nefarious and yet, he still..just.. kept on walking. Then he hears ‘cracks!’ which he mentally chooses to construe as neighborhood construction but then finally comes to his senses and realizes it’s the sounds of gun shots. And again, his immediate conclusion is that it’s Eric up to no good.  So, why Brooks would just do Eric’s bidding and walk away and ‘go home’ is more of the big mystery to me than why Eric actually decided to spare the dude during that little confrontation they had in the parking lot.

It makes perfectly good sense to me that Eric wouldn’t have started the attack prematurely by shooting Brooks out in plain site. It would’ve drawn too much attention and too early pn before their plans. They never would’ve been able to do what they planned to do if he started hastily with one person egging him on in the parking lot. This was no longer a personal vendetta as it was a year or so ago when Eric ranted on his website about Brooks. No, now it was a grand scale plan, a full on military attack against the school. Waiting until just the right time would be a much sweeter vengeance for Eric. Plus, Eric was busy at the moment, he had work to do hauling all his shit out of the car and dragging it up the school lawn. He was already late and Eric hated to be behind schedule. Brooks was simply in the way.  Eric had  bigger fish to fry rather than small fish the likes of Brooks rather foolishly mouthing off at him for missing an insignificant test. It was a bit like a small fish innocently swimming up to a shark to peck off of him. And I think Eric was amused by that irony and plus, well, he did actually liked Brooks ‘now’ , as in this point in time and Brooks admonishing him and flippantly insulting him just made Eric chuckle to himself and go ‘man, you just have no idea, do you dumb fuck of a friend?’ Here, just a few months before, the two were at each others throats and then, Eric wouldn’t have given it a second thought shutting the dude up with the receiving end of his shotgun.