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The first time I read Dylan’s entry about him and Zach doing “EVERYTHING together” I thought Dylan was including gay or bisexual experimentation.

I can see how you might think that. Dylan would be mortified knowing that people went there – then again, he hadn’t planned on those pesky, nosy ‘common people’ prodding and picking apart his journal. 

Dylan uses the word “everything” quite a few times in his writings. He uses the word 44 times, actually.  It’s his catch-all word for groups of memories, ideas, concepts, fantasies he’s visualizing in his head but has no plan to go into detail writing about it.  

 Like the unsent love letter to The Girl:

“oh … the thoughts of us … doing everything together,
not necessarily anything, just to be together would have been pure heaven. I guess it’s time
to tell you who I am.”

“the everything dwellers”

“the everything frame of mind”

“Everything – no everything!”

How’s that for a segue?  😉 

To add, Dylan also mentions it was the first time him and Zack ever drank, etc. Notice how he never mentions Eric in this. I think at first it started with Dylan and Zack screwing around for the sake of screwing around and vandalizing, but then when Eric joined in he “took over” because Dylan and Zack probably don’t care, and Eric decided to use the missions to get back at people he didn’t like.

That’s what I figured you’d be refering to. But I don’t think you can sweepingly make a broad assumption that Zack and Dylan invented and carried out Rebel Missions before Eric out of this one single entry.

This journal entry is solely written about Dylan’s acute stinging loss over the most closest best friend he’d ever had, quite possibly the only kindred friend he’d ever had in his entire life. He doesnt mention Eric or Brooks or Nate or Chris – nobody else is referenced other than Devon as the instigator in taking Zack away from Dylan in this entry. His entry is entitled “The Zack Situation” so it’s rather specific as to the only person that is on Dylan’s mind in recounting his experiences with said friend. Eric is rarely even referenced in all of Dylan’s journal and so he’d hardly remember to drop Eric’s name in reference to their  ‘team’ drinking, smoking and sabotaging houses. Dylan simply omits others involved from the entry. He is thinking only of the how happy he felt in the past experiencing these things for the very first time with Zack.

Dylan says “Ever since 7th grade, I’ve felt lonely..” – and Dylan had met Eric by around 7th thru 8th grad – and yet Dylan still felt a void of unhappiness in his life.

“When Zack came around (Freshman year at Columbine HS), I finally felt happiness (sometimes) we did cigars, drinking, sabotage to houses, EVERYTHING for the first time together & now he’s “moved on” I feel so lonely, without a friend.“

Just because Dylan omits Eric from the entry, doesn’t mean we can automatically assume that Eric was not involved in the ‘cigars, drinking, sabotage to houses’, etc. When Dylan refers to ‘the TEAM’, we shouldn’t take him literally that he’s only exclusively referring to himself and Zack and no one else. The thing to keep in mind with this particular entry is that it is not coherent literally with any amount of detail. The sentences flow and run-on from one timeline into another depending on Dylan’s despondent emotional stream of consciousness. It could easily mean that Dylan is simply mono-focused and fixated on how much fun he used to have in the past with his best friend ever and is now feeling a large void in his life now – even though Eric was still there, and yes, was even there when they did these antics. Dylan still felt bereft even though Eric and he were still good friends – the fact of the matter is, it just isn’t the same depth of feeling for him as was in his relationship with Zack.

Zack, who he saw a mirrored reflection of himself with the same deep sadness. Zack who understood him the most out of anyone he ever hung out with.

Anyone can relate to being part of a group of friends but feeling especially connected to one particular friend and to the point of omitting their participation of the others from certain doings in their journal. It’s because the focus is on that one friend in which you felt an intense bond and connection with in your experiences together. For Dylan, experiencing all of these things he mentions – and for the very first time with his kindred spirit best friend, is a very fond memory of that bond he had and now feels he’s lost..forever. He experienced the drinking and smoking and house sabotaging easily with Zack, but also just as easily with Eric, and other friends possibly, in their Sophomore if not their Freshman years. Eric was already creating pipe bombs in ‘96 so it’s more than probable he wasn’t just sitting at home twiddling his thumbs like a good boy while Zack and Dylan were piloting the first house sabotaging. Eric was already itching to do damage and so this is why he had to have been in on the sabotaging of homes and the one who coined the term ‘Rebel Missions’ and the other two close friends of “The Team” participated along with him – for the first time ever doing mischievous, naughty things.

Brooks Brown mentions in “No Easy Answers”:

“As freshman and sophomore, we were already into drinking and smoking and would get trashed at each other’s houses, or even in the light booth during plays. Dylan, in fact, earned a nickname based on his favorite drink: VoDkA. The name would stick for years.” Page 56

Devon Adams on The Three Amigos or Unholy Trinity. 😉
 “Apparently, Eric blamed me for really taking my boyfriend away from him and Dylan. He blamed me that suddenly their group of three friends was torn assunder by this woman.”    

At any rate, this is the only source – this entry of Dylan’s journal – where it seems ambiguous as to who originated the first ‘Rebel Mission’ house sabotages but then again, not really, if you look at the complete context of Dylan’s state of mind in this entry.

what was he bowling alley called that eric and dylan played at?

AMF Belleview Lanes in Englewood, CO

“The AMF bowling alley dimmed the lights and brought in a DJ from midnight to 2 a.m. Eric loved the disco lights and rowdy music and camaraderie he found at Rock N’ Bowl. He was there most Friday nights. Only this night, many of his pals had early-morning Saturday plans. Only two made it to the bowling alley, Dylan and Robyn. Dylan wouldn’t let Eric down, wouldn’t let him be all alone.” – Eric’s last birthday – The Rockey Mountain News – August 22nd, 1999

Dylan had poor hygiene and a foot fetish. That is some creepy, dealbreaking shit right there. Yuck.

Nah, Dyl wasn’t a creepy foot fetish dude that smelled like pig pen if that’s what you sound like you’re alluding?   He was, however, your average teenage boy that was on the computer playing video games until the wee hours of the week nights which meant that he sometimes only managed to get 4-5 hrs of sleep. At the crack of dawn, the alarm would sound and he’d keep slamming the damn thing  until he eventually rolled out of his bed half asleep while fumbling for the nearest pair of decent once worn jeans and his favorite maybe twice worn AoL HaXoR t-shirt.. still crumpled up on floor from yesterday. He then grabbed his trench and trademark shades to make it out the door in time to attend his god awful  6:15 morning Bowling Class. Sometimes the shower was super quick in the morning where’d he rush out the door letting his still dripping wet curls air dry on the ride to class and other times, he didn’t bother to shower until the next day when he got home around 1:30ish. As for his foot fetish, it was an fantasy turn on in addition to the myriad of porn that frustrated teen dudes dabble in.  While he was attracted to this fetish, he never had the pleasure of indulging in it in real life.  Then again, some fantasize about sexual turn-ons they don’t necessarily even plan to make a reality.  Apparently, to Dylan, feet had begun to be something attractive to notice and look at and there isn’t anything wrong with that anymore than certain guys noticing a nice pair of well shaped legs. ahem. 😉

I liked Dylan’s hair in his senior photo, or in the Nate Dykeman morning ritual. I did not like his hair at all in RR, Breakfast Run, or Radioactive Clothing. It DOES look…a little ugh :/

I especially like this length on him best.  Though I also like it when his hair is smooth and long as when he’s dragging on the cigarette in Radioactive Clothing and oh yeah, the pony.  😉  His face works better with longer hair given the oblong length of his face as it frames and softens his features a bit more. While super short looks refreshingly different on him (as in his drivers licence photo) it tends to makes his ears stick out and his chin more pronounced.  I’m feelin’ him for wanting to grow out his hair against his parents better judgement and his habitual penchant for smoothing out his nature curl for a more smooth, straighter look – which I can relate to myself.  I think Dyl had his own individualistic look he was gravitating towards and mom and dad hounding him to get his hair cut was just.. futile. lol   Dyl was kind of a nineties hippy – one part romantic, flowing curls and the rest, a scraggly, disheveled mess. But, hey, it’s 110% genuine him – a diamond in the rough.  He wasn’t about to give in and assimilate into yet another Columbine clone prep.

My life is now a lie. I thought Dylan had his BMW by the end of his junior year. How the hell did his hair get that long from Jan ’99 – March ’99? In Jan 99 his hair looks very nice, and combed. In March 99 it looks very raggy, unkempt, and kinda just all over the place. Strange.

Haha, yeah. It’s a bit of a shocker, huh?  😉  There’s a couple misconceptions about Dylan and those are:

1) He worked quite a bit at Blackjack in ‘98 to earn for NBK. – Nope!  not the case. He barely worked at Blackjack in ‘98   He hardly worked much in a week when he did work at Blackjack his first stint (10 hrs).

2) Dylan had his BMW at least half of ‘98 up until April ‘99 – Nope!  Dylan only had his trademark BMW 320i four months of his entire life. 

And yes, I reflect on his hair length the same as you.  If it’s true that Dyan’s beemer was purchased the last week of 1998 and he first drove it to school in Jan ‘99, his hair had grown quite fast from Jan up until March of ‘99 where it’s unkempt and sticking out of his ballcap in the Rampart Range footage or how long and sleek it looks when he’s dragging on that cigarette during the Radioactive Clothing video. Plus, in the Morning Ritual vid from early ‘99, his hair looks super short and curly because you can tell he basically just showers and let his hair air dry on the way to school. His wet curls shrink up the length considerably as opposed to when it’s dry and smoothed out by him running his hands through it all day.   Still though, dude had fast growing hair. It does seem strange, yeah..

WHAAATTTTTTT? This is confusing! I thought there was no TCM in the ’98-’99 school year. I think Chris said it himself too. How would Marla be in the TCM? She wasn’t In the yearbook of the TCM in the ’97-’98 year.

The original Trench Coat Mafia was in it’s heyday peak in ‘97-98 but while some of the members graduated and/or left CHS, the younger students remained in ‘98-99. Joe Stair, Chris Morris, Brian Sargent, Thaddeus Boles, Robert Perry, Krista Hanley, Pauline Colby and Kristen Theibault were a few prominent members of the original TCM group. I believe Dylan found his link to the group through Chris Morris and Kristen Theibault. Dylan introduced Eric into the group from the members he crossed paths with.   Marla Foust was a sophomore that associated with the TCM and and made her connection to the group in the year prior.  By ‘98-99, the original TCM had sort of semi disbanded it’s members as some graduated or dropped out, like Robert Perry.  Dylan and Eric saw themselves kind of like ‘the rise of the TCM’ v 2.0 and took the meaning of the name to a whole new intimidating level.  Chris Morris, Eric and Dylan bonded at Blackjack and when the original dudes like Joe Stair was loitering at CHS, they would associate with the ‘cool’ originals to make themselves feel more ‘in’.  They kind of road on the trenchcoat tail fumes of the original TCM.

Hi :) I asked this question before but I don’t think you ever received it…but the guy with the backwards hat standing next to Dylan in the video, ‘Dylan Klebold in Theatre Class’ at the beginning of the video when Dylan was arranging the sound and Dylan was talking to him…was that Zack Heckler? He looks VERY short. I thought all of Dylan’s friends except Eric were 6ft+. Even Brooks said Nate, Zack, Dylan, himself were all 6ft+ taller than Eric.

The dude standing next to Dylan has a roundish face and is a bit stocky which is very much like Zach’s physical characteristics.  Zack was somewhere around 6′1-6′2 in height.  Since Dylan at 6′3, is about an inch or so taller than Zack, the only way this could be Zack is if Dylan were standing on some type of platform on either the stage or in the orchestra pit that makes him appear almost a good foot taller than ‘Zack’ but also the other dudes standing nearby. 

Heights are:

Brooks Brown was 6’5, Chris Morris was 6’4, Dylan Klebold was 6’3, 

 Zach Heckler was 6’2, Nate Dykeman was 6’2 …and Eric was 5’8 

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When did Dylan get his BMW? He got his , license Oct 1997…but in jan 30 1998 van break in Eric was driving dylan

Dylan got his drivers license October 16, 1997 but according to this documentation below, Dylan’s BMW 320i was recorded as purchased on December 26, 1998.  

On January 30, 1998, Dylan was a passenger in Eric’s Honda Prelude the night they got caught for the van theft.  According to Dylan’s account in his Diversion Report on March 25, 1998, he had two traffic tickets: one for speeding and one for running a red light.  

It would appear according to these records that he got these traffic tickets long before his BMW was purchased.

How can this be the case?!

This means that Dylan only had his BMW 320i approximately a total of 4 months of his entire life – from the last week of December –  likely a Christmas present from his parents – and then from January up until April of 1999.

The Klebold’s owned at least 7 cars , including 4 BMW’s that date from the 1980′s. 

If Dylan got 2 traffic tickets earlier on before he had his own BMW, it would mean he was driving one of his parents vehicles or a spare BMW his dad had on hand. He may have gotten the traffic tickets anywhere between Jan – March ‘98 which might explain why Eric was driving them the night of the van theft. 

The evidence of insurance at the bottom covers his driving and started 9/3/98 with coverage ending 4/4/99 and mentions the BMW 320i.  This would mean that the insurance coverage would’ve been updated with the new type of vehicle he was driving and put in his glove box.  The initial coverage in 9/3/98 might have been insurance cover under another one of his dad’s cars.

p.s. If the actual purchase date is truly Dec ‘98 (wow),  this alters the timeline of when the Morning Ritual video was filmed by about a month later. Seems likely he and Nate would’ve video taped it perhaps the first day back to school from winter holiday break just when Dylan got his ‘new’ car.  

I will have to check the carfax report as well as other accounts which involve his car to verify all of this. Stay tuned.

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To other anon i truly feel dylan was scarier because the amount of anger he he kept inside and his depression, yet he was always so happy on the outside. Also his voice in the library calls are so much more chilling.

In the respect that Dylan held everything inside himself, he was scarier not to mention that he had better, more booming, THX Dolby surround sound vocal projection than Eric. 😉  Dylan was letting everything go on 4/20 and you can hear it in his “Evveerrybody get up NOW.”  

Dylan was like a rubber band that was held back, held back, held back and held. back. until SNAP !, he let’s go and was giving the world hell back for the hell he felt it gave him. 

 “The lonely man strikes with ABSOLUTE rage.”

Do you think Eric was more mentally ill than Dylan?

It’s a bit like comparing apples to oranges. Eric knew he had problems and he was getting help for them but the steps taken to fix his mental illness was like putting a band-aid over it. The meds controlled and zombie-fied him, and the therapy was only as good as his honesty with his issues was.  Dylan knew he was depressed but wasn’t fully admitting to himself that he needed to reach out for help.  He avoided ticking off any of the obvious check box problems (Depression, Suicide, Homicide) on his Diversion questionnaire unlike Eric who volunteered that he was having these types of problems.  Dylan seemed to think he could manage his depression himself and concealed his suffering from friends and family (though Zack likely knew the most). The fact that he submerged his issues and didn’t confide in anyone in a way that would allow him to get help, made his mental illness equally problematic as Eric’s because his issues were stewing and building up within him. Eric externalized the frustration more than Dylan; he punched walls and vented on his website and got the frustrations out of himself but it was all just cycling and rebuilding in intensity. Dylan was just holding it all in and there was no where for it to be processed productively.  Both were floundering in their mental illness and with no way to see a light at the end of the tunnel, the possibility that life could be better, 4/20 became the solution, the answer to their release and freedom from the pain.  The two were both powder kegs, one about to explode and the other implode. Ironically, on 4/20, Dylan exploded by externalizing and expressing himself the most vocally whereas Eric quietly imploded and turned the rage on himself by quickly committing suicide first.

what do you think of Dylan thinking he looked fat with his trench coat on with his gear underneath? I think it’s so strange that he would think that. I mean that should’ve been the thing he was least worried about, right?

I think that when Dyl looked at himself for the first time with all his gear on and sees fat, mutters out loud ‘I look fat’, it’s residual feelings about his past traumas as a kid in elementary school. He was that shy, blushing little boy that had a wee bit of baby fat and was considered maybe slightly on the ‘pudgy side’ and so was teased for it by peers for that too. It’s those fears and sensitive inadequacies within himself being called up when he’s looking down at himself in that moment. The kick ass duster is bulging out a bit from the bulkiness and it’s just not right to him, the way it should have been looking to him, improving himself as the anti-hero. There’s a resigned physical disappointment about himself from his past as a kid up until the present with him being physically made fun of with nasty little nicknames like ‘stretch’ and ‘jolly green giant’ by classmates in gym class at Columbine.  In that moment when he’s looking at himself he only focuses on what he thinks looks wrong and it’s not that sleek, cool and dangerous man in black in his essay. Reality bites for Dylan Klebold. 😦

Was Dylan alcoholic?

Zack Heckler stated Kleboid had a problem with alcohol, and as a result had been given the nickname, “Vodka”.

Dyl was a budding alcoholic in the making. It would’ve made him more relaxed, to feel less anxious in social situations but also would’ve numbed his pain or even allowed his feelings to flow while in private. The lure was strong, to prefer life while sipping from his flask or sneaking a bottle in a paper bag while ditching class with a couple of friends or indulging freely at parties, getting wasted, because that’s the acceptable, expected past time at those scenes. Any excuse to escape reality. VoDkA.  I’d say he personally coveted the nick given him. It was cooler than himself, conjuring up all sorts of wild, brazen images. Both party animal and bad ass.