do you think dylan touched the muzzle of the TEC-9 to his temple or do you think he held it away? from what i’ve read, it is inconclusive (he held it close but we don’t know how close), but i always had a feeling that he touched it to his temple. what do you think?

Mm..well, he probably touched the metal to his head at first trying to position himself and decide how he was going to do the deed but ultimately when he shot himself, it was (very) close contact not contact. See here.

Why did Dylan’s parents loan his jacket to the exhibition if they were so against the public’s reaction

My posing Dylan’s parents possibly loaning of his trench coat (and/or his pants) was a speculative explanation and that’s only because the Klebold’s received his trench coat and other NBK clothing items back a year prior to the Littleton exhibition. So, his parents either loaning or giving over these items could be the only explanation for how it ended up in the exhibition display case. Otherwise, they never did hand any of it back to Jeffco and like I mentioned, the black items in the case may only be Eric’s belongings.

But to answer your question, the Klebold’s or the Harrises wouldn’t have any say over the public reaction as far as the exhibition. They couldn’t exactly stop the showcasing of the all the evidence and crime-related items that was linked to their son – though I’m sure they wished it wasn’t going to take place. But the cat was out of the bag and denying Jeffco anything for the exhibit would be kind of ridiculous. Quite a lot of their son’s items were on display including his personal school essays. If they handed over his crime clothing they may have just given them up and decided not to keep any of his NBK related items after an entire year of having them in their possession. 

I think it’s possible that their coats were different brands therefore made with different materials, possibly why they appear to sit differently when folded in the showcase. Also none of the clothing items seem to appear in the evidence index from the exhibit.

Well, that just goes to show that everyone has their own theory regarding this photo!  😉  I  tend to think the boys both purchased the same brand of coat myself (and got the brand from where other TCM members purchased). In any case, regardless of brand, Dylan’s Australian oilskin duster would’ve had more fabric due to the size so it would be bulkier and wouldn’t lay as flat folded up in that manner.

No, the RTO ‘Return to Owner’ clothing isn’t under the main evidence index. It can be found under Additional JCSO Pages>Evidence Volume 1 Extra Pages>011795A (yes, the 11K is awfully large and parts of it are bafflingly sorted non-linearly at times).  I posted the Klebold’s RTO of Dylan’s clothing items in this post. 

If the Harrises didn’t sign the release form it basically means that the clothing that was collected from Eric’s body would’ve been cataloged only as collected evidence but there’d be no RTO form signed by Wayne or Kathy indicating they retrieved their son’s items. 

Just to correct you on a couple things I read on your Tumblr. Probably doesn’t matter because the posts were so old but here goes anyway. First Fly and Arlene were not boyfriend and girlfriend. They were best friends. I’ve read the books, so I know this. Second the photo that you show claiming the 2004 exhibit shows “Dylan’s” duster with the rust colored tag. That’s actually Eric’s duster. The black clothing item on the right of the examination box are Dylan’s cargo pants.

That’s a four-year-old post to which I had added an addendum at the bottom of it mentioning that it was just my initial speculation  I have the pdfs of the DOOM series but haven’t gotten around to reading those just yet. So, thanks for the clarification. Should have assumed that the boys coveted a series that wouldn’t tread in the murky territory of ‘more than just friends’ relationships. lol

As for the 2004 exhibit case, it’s honestly difficult to tell for certain because those black blobs don’t reveal much detail even when I’ve jacked up the contrast to try and make a better determination. However, to me,  the coat on the left definitely looks much thicker/puffier all folded up –  therefore, it seems larger and also why I assume it to be Dylan’s larger duster.  Whats more, the items in the case are a mix of both boys’ belongings: it doesn’t just have all of Eric stuff divided up on one side and Dylan’s on the other. In examing the photo more closely, the black blob on the right does appear to look somewhat physically flatter in comparison to the coat on the left.  I’d be willing to concede to your belief that the black blob on the right may be pants, perhaps Dylan’s cargo pants, based on the fact that Dylan’s trenchcoat was returned to his parents prior to the Feb 2004 exhibit, specifically one year prior, on Feb 20, 2003.  But the only thing is, Dylan’s cargo pants were also on the list of items returned to Dylan’s parents in 2003.  This means it’s one of a few different scenarios: 1) Dylan’s parents loaned/gave Jeffco Dylan’s trenchcoat for the exhibit and that both Dylan and Eric’s trenchcoats are on display as most have assumed over the years. Which coat belonged to which boy is debatable because we can really make a truly accurate determination based on the photo ( though I say Dylan/left and Eric/right in this scenario) 2) In accordance to your belief, Eric’s coat is on the left and Dylan’s cargo pants are on the right -again, assuming the Klebolds loaned or gave it to Jeffco for the exhibit – or lastly, –  3) Eric’s trenchcoat is on the left and Eric’s BDUs are on the right.  This seems to be fairly plausible option (out of all of them) because to my knowledge, there is no RTO record of the Harrises receiving their son’s NBK clothing back as the Klebolds did. Unless someone can find that to rule it out?  But I don’t think I’ve ever seen a list of Eric’s clothing items return to his parents.  Thanks for pointing out the possibility that these could be pants and not at all a  duster/trench coat. 

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I always wondered how the conversation of “going nbk” started, how do you think the conversation started?

Yeah, this has been talked about a lot on E-C. In a nutshell, I don’t think it just happen one day with one of the two suggesting it in one single conversation. There were lots of black humor jokes between them for quite some time just kicking around revenge fantasies and amused laughs between them which then progressed into dead seriousness after the van theft arrest and their humiliation with the authorities. The discussion turning to a mutual ‘yeah, you know what? let’s fucking do this for real. It’ll be fucking payback time. We don’t give a shit because we’re going to die doing it. Let’s give them what they all deserve.“

I don’t get why people make a huge deal out of eric and dylan dying virgins, and i don’t know why they get this crazy ideas that they had sex on prom night or stuff like that, like they didn’t have sex get over it.

Agreed^^   And plenty of people don’t have sex throughout their high school years. The reality is that Eric and Dylan were horrible with girls and awkward af. They were not confident let alone sexually confident. They weren’t really ready for sex. 

Aside from the basement tapes, do you think any new footage will ever surface of the boys ? Footage of them just being themselves and all that

Nope. Unless of course… Sue releases anything else of her choosing during one of her conference presentations (*crosses fingers for a snippet of Dylan before prom video footage*)  or one of their friends comes forward with a book or documentary and they decide to show a clip as part of their media release.  Other than that, not likely at all. Jeffco considers the case closed and in light of all the recent shootings, they would not be so inclined to release any more visual footage of the very infamous shooters.

Do you think that Eric knew how severely depressed Dylan was? That it was one of the biggest driving forces behind his reason to participate in nbk? Or that he just kinda had the idea that he was suicidal?

No, I don’t believe Eric knew or even really internally reflected on whether his friend was depressed, let alone severely depressed. I spoke about this in another post. I think Dylan was pretty good at expressing how pissed off he was about various things – that he hated school, hated his life, couldn’t stand this, that and the other in a similar manner that Eric vocalized his resentment over things. So, Eric just intuited without having to reason it, that Dylan appeared to be close to as homicidal and suicidal as he was. And I say that Eric understood Dylan had some amount of suicidal tendencies to him but didn’t necessarily identify it as ‘depression’. Afterall, from his pov, “depression” was probably equated with something emos express publicly – it’s such a passive, useless way to be. But seeing Dylan as suicidal would mean that dude wanted something extreme as a solution to end a miserable life in this fucked up world.  The two had sussed during their various rants and discussions that they were simpatico in a way that made them implicitly loyal and trustworthy over the idea of carrying out NBK without faltering.  So, I don’t believe that Eric reasoned/used Dylan’s depressed tendencies as a catalyst to get him to partner in NBK.  The two were already both on the same page but in mirroring opposition.  If you have the desire to kill first, you’ll have to die doing it.  If you want to die, you’re going to kill first. They completed each others circuit and each was a driving force, that push-pull catalyst to the other.  They were like a confluence of negative ions in that perfect storm. 

Do you think Kevin and Byron felt guilty after the shootings? Knowing that they weren’t there to help their brothers with their problems?

Sure, of course, they would’ve.  And it’s only natural they’d feel regret and responsibility for not feeling like they were there enough for their younger brothers in retrospect hindsight. Kevin was away at college and Byron was living in an apartment with friends up in Aurora but would visit his parents for weekend Sunday dinner.  They were just doing the normal thing leading their own lives and growing apart from their home roots and parents. But I’m sure they felt bad, a kind of sibling survivor’s guilt, thinking that they could’ve just been more available in making concerted attempts to spend some amount of quality time together or with a touch-base phone call and because they didn’t, they were not able to even realize how hard things were for their 3 years younger bros. There was a disconnection between siblings because of their literal, physical leaving home. Suddenly, Eric and Dylan were like the only child – which I can relate to myself with a few older siblings.  I spoke about this in relation to Byron here.