I think it is ultimately an extreme selfish act which is motivated by desperation to stop your inner pain and suffering.  To have silence and peace, free from your tormented thoughts.  Those who decide and choose to kill themselves are solely making the decision to pull the plug on their life and for their own personal reasons. It is done in exclusion to fully considering what family, friends, co-workers and others may think and feel about you yanking your presence from them permanently when they are used to you being in their lives and they love and care about you. If the person chooses to still end their life, even in knowing full well how much they’ll cause pain in their lives, it is done regardless of other’s reactions. Of course, many suicidal people will rationalize that people won’t miss them at all.  Any decision that is done with a permanence that will potentially harm other people (and possibly cause them to feel suicidal themselves as a result) is a selfish decision.  Understand I’m not judging whether it’s wrong or right. I’m merely answering your question as to whether it is selfish or not. 🙂 The cause and effect of suicide are devasting for those that are forced to survive the loss of a loved one without a say.   All you have to do is think of Sue’s face and the weight of the pain and grief that she is still struggling with 19 years later.  That is the consequence of Dylan’s selfish decision to destroy not only himself (which she created) but arbitrarily steal the lives of others as well. The burden becomes the survivors.

After the January Incident when the two got arrested for the van theft on January 30, 1998.  In my opinion, that is when a match was lit under the two and they joined forces in their mutually destructive desires and motivations. That was the tipping point in their devolution, that boulder’s roll momentum to commit mass homicide to exact grand-scale revenge and to commit to dying on this mission.

Untrue.. but go ahead and send the link if you’d like.

I think you may have been reading about Brandi Jo Malonson not Brandi Tinklenberg

and why ALL CAPS ANON ?   

I’m sorry you took it personally and sorry too about your grandparents enduring such an atrocity. 😦  That said, in relation to this particular question, I was answering in the specific context as to whether the pin would’ve personally been offensive to the Klebold household in the US during the late nineties and not in a global sense.  However, there is a possibility too that since the Klebold’s have some Russian/Ukraine heritage on his mother’s side of the family that she may have not been happy about the pin – that is if she knew about it at all.  He may have fastened it on after he’d left the house.  But it’s difficult to say and I was surmising which symbolism would likely have been taken as most personally offensive to his parents.  As a citizen of the US, I will say that Nazi symbolism is much more shocking and offence as there is more of an awareness of the notorious history that it represents.  It’s particularly extremely offensive and disrespectful to those of the Jewish faith here.

Well, a Hammer and Sickle Soviet pin doesn’t exactly have the same negative, offence connotations as Nazi German symbolism for a Jewish mom. That pin might have been a tad more irreverent and offensive in the 80s with the Cold War but not by the late nineties.  I think most of what Sue saw Dylan wear she just chalked it up to him being a rebellious, edgy teenager trying to establish an individual look for himself. She saw it as typical, harmless teenage stuff. In the Diane Sawyer interview that aired February 2016, she essentially said that she was not fussed with Dylan wearing a trench coat because she was an art student in her youth and dressed unusually herself to assert her own personal aesthetic expression.  And yes, anything that his mom may have questioned him wearing or him having plastered up on his bedroom walls, he’d simply assured her with a shrug ‘doesn’t mean anything’ or ‘it looks cool’ and that would put an end to that line of questioning.  But I think he was well aware of how far he could push something considered “offensive” in his household and if he hypothetically owned anything anti-Semitic, he would’ve had the presence of mind to not wear any of that while around his parents or relatives. 

Of course, they are.  Reminded excruciatingly so every spring, when April is on the horizon, or with every mass shooting that occurs in which the media always bring up Columbine by default – just cause they like to compare everything against it even when it’s no longer a relevant comparison, or when fireworks go off during the Fourth of July or when a very loud, flashy ambulance drives by or when their friends hear an old NIN song or‘ Take My Breath Away’  or see a vintage BMW drive past…………. Always and forever. Eternally reminded. 

Agreed but I do think because both were starving for some sort of connection with female companionship the two would struggle with their own needy desperation though expressed in differing ways.  Eric would try to control and hold on tight until things would either fizzle or explode and he’d lose the girl. It would be the girl wanting out as was always the case in just a few dating relationships he’d had.  And Dylan would be there all the way in his steady, loyal, dutiful, commitment just like he was with every long-lasting friendship he ever had. Even when the relationship had spoiled and it was long past the expiration point for breaking up, and the negative (or apathetic) interactions far outweighed the positives, he would have a tendency to become the doormat with his girlfriend. He’d not be able to – would be unwilling to – come to terms with the fact that that relationship was deader than a doornail. He would focus on the memory of how things used to be and be stuck in denial trying to rekindle the happiness he thought he’d finally found with a girl in their early days together. He’d go along with the pretend facsimile of an a-okay relationship all the while holding her hand walking with her to class even if he was inwardly mad, silent and sullen with her that week.  He would try to avoid breaking up because it meant he’d be all alone again without “a love”. The girl would have to end things for him and he would take it very hard. He would take it extremely personally because it would signify he was a failure.

 I don’t rightly know how they met or became a couple. Nicole had mutual girlfriends that were part of the TCM so I think dating around within that social circle happened regularly. The outcasts that didn’t fit within the school’s accepted ‘normal’ social circles paired off within their small circle of friends from getting to know one another as friends or acquaintances first.  Robyn once dated Chris briefly too which I think just amounted to them going out together a few times. I do know that Nicole and Chris kept their being a couple secret while at school.  I’m not sure why that is but perhaps because of Chris’ hothead reputation. Just my speculation..  Nicole was just the right type of girl for him and she tamed his beast as none of his previous dates had managed to.

That’s plausible too since they were filming HMFH for Eric’s class project.  They did use ‘frickin’ in E & D’s camera rants. 

How many here know how to use the E-C Search?   😉 

Yeah, I think so but I can’t seem to find the post!  Anyway…

Devon was leaving school when she heard a bomb go off somewhere and immediately knew it was Eric.  She’d fled with a bunch of students to Clement Park.

Brooks was taking a cigarette break after philosophy class and he left the campus upon Eric telling him to do so.

Robyn was on her way to Dairy Queen for lunch with two friends. Upon returning, they pulled into the senior parking lot right as the massacre was going down in the library. The cops would not let her leave and they sat in the car the entire time while the shooting was going on.

Zack was in the choir room when someone warned them what was going down and he fled the north entrance of the building with his class and headed to Clement Park. Devon met up with him there.

Nate left his language arts class noting that Eric and Dylan didn’t show up for that class. He left the building to go home for lunch.  Upon leaving in his truck, he saw Eric walking to the building from the unusual direction of the junior parking lot carrying a small bag. 

I think receiving a note back from her would have been easier for him to introvertly step back, read through backwards and forewards, and process rather than her confessing a mutual attraction to his face.  He’d have time to react in private and it would be less overwhelming though still, very nerve-racking. lol

Moved out.

All correct dates. 

Radioactive Clothing was late March 1999. 
Breakfast Run was April 19, 1999.

Tough guy teenage junk food basically.  Beef jerky type snacks is macho man shit.

I think it was in Dylan’s nature to be there for all of his friends, not just Eric.  We need to remember that Dylan and Eric were friends since Jr. HS days but at the same time, Dylan also befriended Nate in Jr. HS too. Then Zack came along in high school and Dylan clicked and became close at a certain point until Zack paired off with a girlfriend which left Dylan still in a long-standing friendship with Eric. And I’m sure there were probably times too when Dylan thought that Eric might find someone..especially when Eric dated Sasha about 20 times over the course of a few months.  Brooks was friends with both Eric and Dylan in the first year or so at Columbine but then Eric got into a cold war with Brooks.  So Dylan was in the tough spot of middle man.  He went smoking with Brooks when Eric wasn’t around and when he and Eric were together, he would not hang with Brooks.  Of course, there was still Nate but then Nate found Kristi in early ‘99.  So, you can see this ebb and flow of friendships dissipating all around Dylan yet Dylan is right there for any of those friends if they want to make the time for him.  Eric was the only other committed guy who was just like Dylan, with no women in his life. The difference between the two is that Eric broke off with some of their mutual friends but Dylan did not.  Because Eric burned bridges, it left with Dylan as his primary, one and only friend. Eric did pretty much everything with Dylan.  Dylan spent a lot of time with Eric but also did stuff with other friends too. Only Eric and Dylan had a shared experience of humiliation with the authorities and also being picked on in school. This did cement their bond closer.  So, it’s not really so much that Dylan was making a concerted effort to be there for Eric because Eric had no one else. It’s just that Dylan just never wanted to break off a friendship or get into a fight and mess things up.  He failed and gave up at trying to break things off with Eric.  I think he felt like it could backfire on him big time if Eric knew he was intentionally trying to cut ties. And Dylan hated when he felt friends abandoned him so he would not do that to his own friends especially not to Eric.  Dylan always was there as a constant force for any of his friends.  Eric sort of dictated that it was just the two of them because of the fact that Eric eliminated some of their mutual friendships so that it was usually just them hanging out.  I don’t think really think that Dylan was so much as looking out for Eric or that he consciously considered that Eric was more hopeless than himself. I just think that Dylan felt aligned with Eric in a lot of similar ways. The lack of establishing girlfriend relationships. The bonding over being arrested together. Over time, it sort of became ‘Us versus The World’.  Eric also had a lot of time to hang with Dylan. Eric had time/made time for his best friend, Dylan.  Dylan’s needs were met when he had a friend that was loyal and there for him. An example here is the night of the January Incident on January 30th when Dylan and Zack were supposed to have a sleepover but instead, Zack and Devon got into a fight and next thing you know..no sleepover with Zack for Dylan. Guess who was there for Dylan to kill time on Friday night?  Eric.  So, ultimately, they were there for each other mutually.  Both were dealing with their own pain and loneliness.  Each took care of the other. 

Aww, thank you darlin’.  I do appreciate your faithfulness and your sass.  ✨💖✨But you know how it is, haters are just gonna hate, distort and fabricate and…

💖✨💖☮️To all of my loyal friends and followers of this blog who understand and resonate with me and where I’m coming from.☮️💖✨💖

No record of whether it was confirmed or not but I’d assumed so since it was listed on his original profile before it had been tampered with.  But aside from getting punted by AoL ToS violation, Dylan would hack and assume someone else’s handle and account thereby avoiding membership fees so he could muck about and practice more hacking. So, there’s a smidge of a possibility that wurmhole belonged to someone else originally.

We really don’t really know just how upset Dylan was versus how upset Devon was and over what. Devon may have equated Dylan’s avoidance of her as him being upset. But perhaps he just thought he mucked things up and didn’t know how to make amends with her first.  And it sounds like they had a few tiffs here and there where they butt heads as friends do from time-to-time. It wasn’t just a one-time pow-wow deal between them. But I seriously doubt Devon would’ve been that petty to criticize Dylan over his sexuality or his lack of women for being a shy guy. I just don’t see that at all. 

First off, Columbine was meant to be a bombing of 250-500 people in the cafeteria which would’ve also destroyed the library directly above it. However, many of the jocks (aka bullies basically) had A lunch during the time they planned for the bombs to explode.  So, their thinking was probably a way to kill two birds with one stone.  The plan was never to specifically go after the jocks or any other groups or certain individuals. Plus, going after individuals would’ve been an inefficient time waster trying to locate and hunt them down within the school.  By the time they pursued and shot one or two people on their hit lists, the cops might’ve been on the scene by then.  What sounds more effective: efficiently bombing a bunch of people you hate in one area or wasting time killing a handful on your hit list – when time is of the essence?  Some wonder why they didn’t go to the gym or weight room where you would think the jocks would be but I speculate that they had a bit of an apprehension about being overtaken by a gang of jocks..even with weapons. In their minds, it was easier to take out the tumor of the school by detonating the heart of it where many people would be eating lunch that day or studying directly above in the library..and plenty of those students would’ve been enough jocks to satisfy them.  Why kill a bunch of classmates that they didn’t know?   Collateral damage. They believed the entire school system, the teachers, and all the students a part of that system were complicit and culpable for their suffering so it no longer mattered going after specific individuals since the whole place was rotten in their mind.  They wanted to destroy the entire school like the massive, malignant tumor that it was in their minds. They wanted to destroy what destroys you  them.