Ashley Egeland bumped into Chris Morris and Eric as they were walking down the hallway together. Eric was nice to her telling her that not to worry about it and Chris was pissed off and called her a fucking bitch and to watch where she was going.  This was back before Chris had a serious girlfriend and was a hot head much like Eric.

E-C Search ‘joe stair’ for this information.

Nope.  Why’d you think that?    For one thing, Dylan didn’t hang with ‘popular.’ lol

Unsuccessfully help him find a girl for prom, you mean. I’m sure the usual suspects such as Chris, Brooks, Nate – possibly Chad Laughlin too as well as Mike Vendegnia.  Eric didn’t have all that many friends at the end of his life. Not to be mean here just merely stating a fact.  

Depends on what kind of person you have in your head. I’m guessing you mean a girl because I don’t think you’re wondering if Dylan could pick up a big, burly dude. lol  I’m sure his twig-like arms could probably manage to lift up/carry a short to average height chick – lankiness or not. 

How do you people come up with this stuff?  😛

Answered before here.

lol  Sue and Tom are as American as Wayne and Kathy are since they were born and raised in this country.  They are as 100% true-blue American as you can get!  However, as with most Americans, with the exception of Native American Indians, that is, their ancestors originated from overseas.  Sue’s lineage had roots in Russian and Tom’s in Germany.  See here for a bunch of past discussions on this. 

E-C Search ‘nate brooks’. This has already been addressed.

Dustin was friends with Nate Dykeman?

Yes. You can see them sitting together in the senior class photo.

Why didn’t Chris Morris sit with Eric and Dylan during the yearbook picture?

Probably simply because the gymnasium was full of seniors and he sat with the friends who were nearby him on that end of the bleachers.

Btw, if this is the same person asking these short questions with a similar theme, can you try and ask all of these cluster questions in one Ask please? 

Dylan didn’t use his nickname GREEN much, neither did eric with his INDIGO one, is that why no one really mentions it in the TCC?

GREEN (VoDkA) and INDIGO (REB) were their DOOM team color preferences whenever they played together.  I once speculated Dylan liked them also because of what he knew about Charles Manson using those sorts of nicks with his family clan.  Eric called himself and Dylan ‘The Clan’.

Well, I’ve watched about four of the Active Shooter episodes thus far.  I think their style of approach is classy – very tasteful and respectful.  The formula for the series appears to be told by either law enforcement, surviving victims or victim family members or friends which gives us a chance to get to know these people and feel for them from their vantage point of being victimized or discovering their loved one had been shot and killed.  As they relay what has happened to their loved one, it kind of builds on to the story of events until we are told what actually takes place during the shooting and how exactly it occurred in detail. Midway through, the shooter is discussed. A brief background on their life is given. What they did and how they end up: either apprehended or found having committed suicide.  The show spends just enough time on the shooter but it never lingers or spends a gratuitous amount of time on them because the arc of the story always resides through the various storylines being told through each of the victims’ family/friends eyes.  I think that is a very classy way to address this documentary.  If the shooter was the sole focal point there would probably be a lot of complaints especially given how often we have shootings in the US.  I’m sure Showtime wanted to handle the show in a manner that would not inspire other shooters to get their own celebrity weekly showcasing on ‘Active Shooter’.   After having watched a few of these now, I almost tend to think Cullen will not be used as the usual influencing ‘expert’ brought in as he has been on other documentaries. *crosses fingers* And that is because the formula of this show appears to utilize the victims to tell their collective stories leading up to the shooting and the fallout from the tragedy. So, if we can count on that – my hope is that only the Columbine victim families and classmates, who were there and experienced the massacre first hand, will be used as the ‘experts’ rather than bringing in Cullen to color everything with his confabulation.

Of course, for those of us who are into the case, it would be great to have a really insightful documentary examination of the boys. But I tend to think there is always that concern that we are spending too much time and emphasis on ‘the shooters’ which appears gratuitous as though we are tipping the scales and giving them far too much attention which then disrespects the victims, making them seem incidental, if the program gives 95% of the time to the perpetrators.  There is one documentary specifically on the boys that I can think of that came out in 2002 called Columbine: Understanding Why ( pre-Cullen) that involves a bunch of psych experts discussing the boys’ potential motives. It was so-so interesting but didn’t delve too deep.  Most of the conclusions they came to were pretty obvious from the start for anyone that really studies the case.  If they ever made one of these again, I think unfortunately, the doc would enlist the bias of Dave Cullen by default and Peter Langman.  In which case, it’s probably for the best it didn’t happen.   

Somehow I tend to think only amateurs that know the case well and understand the boys as they do themselves could make the kind of insightful documentary we’d really want to see. This type of honest documentary would seek to include former classmates and friends in interviews that knew the boys personally.  It’d be a production that could truly pitch a constructive, preventative light to the public by delving into the bullying, depression, rage and mental illness which initially victimized those boys and made them hell-bent on the destruction of others and themselves. The show could explore all the reason for the ‘Columbine Effect’ and why there have been so many others that have followed in their footsteps with school/mass shootings. It would really give the public real insightful food for thought rather than just regurgitating everything we already ‘officially’ know as told by the so-called ‘experts’.  

I think definitely much regret in hindsight, yeah.  Byron was very much wrapped up in his own world of ‘adulting’ with forging an independent life on his own apart from his parents up in Aurora and finding himself career-wise.  Dylan had always done very well on his own, and I don’t think Byron ever thought it’d be important to carve out ‘quality time’ with his younger brother.  Plus, he’d come home on the weekends and have dinner with his family.  I don’t think he really saw this coming because Dylan acted completely normal around the family. They joked around and had dish towel fights together.  But yeah, I’m sure Byron had a lot regret and guilt at the funeral in thinking he could’ve done things differently – to not have been so self-involved. The two could’ve gone out to the movies together and talked rather than just the usual family antics when he came home to visit for an hour or two for mom’s homemade cooking.

I know, I know.. it’s horrible.  And there’s an awful, perverse sort of irony about it all in that I was watching the Active Shooter documentary on the shooting in the church in South Carolina probably around when this was actually happening.    Honestly, I don’t know what to say anymore other than the fact that this country actually needs. to. do. something. about. it. rather than bringing up the pat gun debates (in which nothing ever happens) and ‘oh yeah, we need better mental health help’ each and every time. It’s all so disingenuous with these pretend discussions of concern that are meaningless because no real attempts are ever made to put a stop to the carnage.  We had a massive massacre last month, now this, and the US is just kind of a joke anymore.  We allow our own citizens to be slaughtered and whats worse is that it continues on which basically means we are all okay with this just happening monthly, bimonthly, whatever.  We just cannot get our act together.  I’m frankly disgusted. 

My heart goes out to the victims, their families and friends. ❤

Thank you for sending this, worried neighbor. 

Maybe.  Then again, look at Dylan. He threw it all away even in having those parents. But I do think Eric’s feelings would’ve been taken into consideration much more..especially in regards to not choosing to uproot and move around so much. He’d been able to anchor in one place and might’ve been less angry and much more secure.

Dylan wrote in his notebooks, day planner in addition to scraps of paper.  Eric decided to write his journal approximately a year after Dylan but also a few months after their inception into the diversion program.  This was when the two had already begun to make concrete plans about going NBK together.    Eric wanted to log and capture his evolution of thoughts and plans so his account was to read like a manifesto for people to see/read post-mortem.  Dylan started journaling the year prior and he wrote for himself, to download all of those thoughts out of his mind and on to paper.  The movie Natural Born Killers came out in 1994. I’m sure the two had seen it probably on rental around ‘96 or 97.  I don’t think it’s such a stretch that the two individually dug the plot because they both enjoyed various personal fantasy ideas of going on a spree against the world as Mickey and Mallory did in the flick.  Devon mentioned the two could recite entire scenes from the movie.  It’s obvious, to me anyway, that they both had already coined ‘NBK’ earlier on and each had their own fantasies about it.  Only Dylan had begun writing first in ‘97 and so he brought up their code of “NBK” in various ways that he envisioned doing it.  Fast forward a year later, and the two are stuck in the diversion program both angry and frustrated about having been caught red-handed and now being under the authorities thumb for the entire year. That is compounded on top of their joint hatred for their stuck up school and it’s jock favoritism. The combination of all of these things forged their ammunition for implementing operation NBK – not just in their individual, personal fantasies but in real life. The two begin to formulate NBK as something they both wanted to do together for revenge on society.  The two began the diversion program in March ‘98 and Eric decided a journal was in order by April ‘98  to capture all of his thoughts, feelings and detailed plans before his death after Operation NBK.  So, no, I don’t think Eric wrote on scraps of paper. He conscientiously decided to sit down and write his Book of God ‘journal’ only for a very specific purpose of going NBK. 

Dylan wrote to write about his personal struggles and within his writings he mentioned NBK. Eric started writing primarily because of NBK and that his writing would serve NBK after his death.

Yes. His much older siblings: Donald ‘Sam’ Klebold, sisters Katherine Ann and Mary Lou. Tom was born much later as part of his father’s second marriage.  Tragically, both parents passed away when Tom was 12 and Sam 29.  Tom’s eldest brother, Sam, raised him as part of his own family of five kids.

His vision correction looked somewhat significant in that his eyes appear somewhat smaller with a bit of that ‘coke bottle’ effect going on with his prescription lenses but it’s difficult to gauge how ‘bad’ it was. Apparently not bad enough for him to go without wearing them for long periods of time. It’s possible he opted to not wear them on campus much and strained his eyes to not look like that uncool geek with eyeglasses. We know that he wore them on personal time as he is here at Devon’s birthday party and he also wore them while working sound design for school plays.  There haven’t been any classmate eyewitnesses saying that he wore his glasses while in class for assignments at his desk. Some observed that he’d wear his shades in class and not take them off. lol

It’s interesting though how many people in the 11K see Dylan as a follower. The consensus overwhelmingly from student eyewitnesses, friends that knew him personally, and acquaintances, is that they perceived him a follower.   Yes, Dylan was the first to mention NBK and that’s logically because he started his journal first (1 year before Eric) and so, of course, he captured the idea first.  Sure, Dylan laughed at people while shooting but it’s not as though Eric never did that too during the massacre.  Honestly, if you’re going to shoot up your school the idea essentially is to have fun while doing it so it makes total sense that he and Eric would be laughing  Conversely, I think Eric also put up with his one and only Jewish friend too because it’s not every day you find someone willing to commit mass murder with you – as well as that suicide pact, which was the icing on the cake for Dylan.  I think that it’s safe to say the two were equally the push and pull influence of one another.  I don’t know why it ever has to be as simplistic as just one boy or the other as the ‘leader’ or ‘follower’.  Life is often far more complex and nuanced than that in regards to friendship relationships.

Hmm.. I haven’t made any recent changes on E-C.  Not sure what the problem is. Maybe close out of the app and restart it? 

I think it likely, yes. 😉