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Brooks merely touched up on this but in your opinion do you think Eric stopped liking most of his freshmen friends ( Zach etc ) because he wanted Dylan all to himself?

I don’t think there was a conscious intention on Eric’s part to chuck friends?  In other words, I don’t think he set out to sever his friendship with Nick Baumgart, Brooks, with Zack but the way he cut ties with each was circumstantial. That he had acquired a particular beef with each of them over time and decided, deemed, they were no longer worthy of his friendship. However, on a subconscious level, Eric was aligning himself with that certain person he believed had always proven to be that one loyal and true friend which never rubbed him the wrong way as others did.  The dude had trust issues. Metaphorically speaking, as in the case of Brooks and Zack, after the perceived offense or slight, Eric was going to drop kick them out the door before they could do him further damage.  In the past, Eric always seemed to forge a relationship with only one, maybe two, friends that he felt were “best friend” material. I don’t think Eric ever grew out of that immature phase of needing “me and my best friend” against the rest of the world.  So, I think what Brooks said is partially correct but that Eric sabotaged friendships subconsciously and cut ties with others that he felt didn’t act like a super loyal best friend in his opinion. His other friendships were casual at best but he selfishly coveted his one buddy, Dylan. When Eric wrote a paper describing a dream he had in psychology class he wrote it constantly starting off with “Me and Dylan”. There is a child-like quality about his phrasing of their pairing. 

I’ve seen in another page that Dylan has bad hygiene problems is there any truths to this?

Well, first of all, I’d like to see that page and what they said/posted?

None of Dylan’s friends stated that he had bad hygiene problems. A few classmates that didn’t know him other than seeing him around daily assumed as such likely because of his scraggly long hair and wearing a favorite shirt more than once per week.  We need to keep in mind that a lot of kids going to this school were snobby types that wore new stuff every week and the accepted status variety sort such as Abercrombie, Gap and Nike, etc.  So, Dylan, wearing that same Boston ballcap daily and his AoL HaXoR shirt 2-3 times per week and his not washing his hair religiously each day, gave some students, that didn’t know him personally, the assumed perception that his hygiene wasn’t very good.  See multiple posts I discussed this here, here, and here. You can also E-C Search ‘hygiene’ or ‘hygienic’ for the rest.

But plenty of teenage boys don’t give af about bathing daily or making a point of wearing freshly washed clothing each and every day.  They’re often just trying to get by on a daily basis in school running on empty emotionally and with not as much sleep as they need. Many prefer to be obstinate and dress however they feel, to be rebellious and not fall in line with what the peer crowd is doing. How Dylan dressed and presented is actually quite typical teenage boy demeanor. 

In fact, Sidney Jo Keating, a teacher at the school stated that “Brooks Brown’s parents came to the school during the mid-year of 1998 seeking an “intervention” due to Brooks’ radical behavior. The parents of Brooks commented that their son was becoming weirder, he was not bathing and believed him to be gay.’   Incidentally, the teacher mentions some pretty amusing/interesting stuff concerning Brooks. But that’s another story meant for another post…lol

What’s your opinion on this toxic notion that there was no future for Dylan that didn’t end with him taking his own life?

Well, personally I don’t feel he was born automatically doomed to die.  But Dylan had a lot going against him because of his negative mindset combined with his self-reliant secretiveness.  He was shouldering everything all alone, all on his own, and the burden on his mind was an uphill battle. He wasn’t one to share his problems with most of his close friends. Zack knew of his depression but no one really knew to the extent that he was deeply troubled to a critical breaking point. To everyone around him, he seemed capable and well adjusted.   It was obvious when his mom attempted to get him some counseling help as part of the diversion program that he was firmly against the idea.  Had Dylan survived high school and made it into college there would invariably be new sets of challenges and problems presented to him that he would likely have internalized and reacted negatively to. Whether that would have been trouble making friends miles from home or being unable to connect with girls and form relationship. Or, if he finally got a girlfriend and things got rocky or they broke up, it would’ve been hard on him to handle all of this on his own. He would’ve believed it was a reflection on himself being unlovable. Without any sort of therapy or finding a friend network or even just having that one good, supportive friend, his drinking would’ve escalated, especially as part of the college party scene and he very possibly would’ve started dabbling more into drugs as a way to numb out and cope. Drinking and drugs would have been his go-to crutch in order to fit in with others and to be more social with people.  There simply would’ve been a lot of challenges before him given his propensity for depression.    While I won’t say that a future was an impossibility for Dylan, I will say that it would’ve been difficult and the odds against him to manage his destructive feelings all on his own.  But, at the same time, had he moved away to Arizona for college, that could’ve been the radical change he needed to jolt him out of his funk. Dylan could that ‘fresh start’ he needed, a clean slate with new people who had no preconceived judgments about him or to be seen as the loser he felt he was pigeonholed as in high school.  And who knows, he might’ve liked his dorm mate, made a couple of good girl/guy friends and maybe even started steady dating with a girl that made him feel good about himself. It could’ve go either way or 60% bad with 40% good and the good being enough for him to hold out for hope. The future is always in motion and anything is possible. Any new experience or any new person/s that intersects with an individual has the potentiality of introducing positive change.  But ultimately, the bottom line is that Dylan really needed some support to lean on and to be able to talk about his problems so that he could express and process them in a more healthy productive way.  So, no, I’m not at all fatalistic about Dylan:  I don’t believe he had NO future but just that he had many difficult challenges ahead in his future. A rocky road ahead.  Plenty of suicidal people struggle greatly yet they still make it through. Trent Reznor is one of those sorts who has dealt with lots of depression and suicidal feelings all of his life and yet here he is a much older man. The combination of time, maturity, and some solid relationships would’ve hopefully helped lift Dylan up and see him through to a future.

Can you explain the situation with police shooting at Dylan’s car, why were all the doors open and windows broken, and how did they come to think that the cars had bombs inside?

The police noted that Dylan’s car (as well as Eric’s) was rigged with bombs and explosives by looking at the backseats of their cars.  Each had two 20 lb propane tanks in their cars as wells as gasoline tanks which were supposed to have ignited once the tanks blew. Dylan’s propane bombs were situated in the back seat behind the driver seat (as seen in the photo below). The SWAT rigged Dylan’s vehicle with robot disrupters to disarm the bombs and whatnot attached to the bombs which, in the process, shattered the windows of his beamer. They also gutted his car and yanked his stereo system and subwoofers that were in the backseat window area. In the photo below, you can see the one subwoofer laying on top of the pile of components for the bomb.  Vehicle 1 contents are Dylan’s car and Vehicle 2 is Eric’s (you can see all his fake guns lined up on the ground in the backdrop which was used in their Radioactive Clothing video). The explanation about the disrupters and Dylan’s car windows busting out is explained in this post with the account from the 11K.

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Dylan’s crude sketch of stick figures (lol) V and R’s cars with the ‘2Ps’ for 2 propane tanks arranged in their backseats.

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Did they ever actually disclose a plan A where they would shoot escaping survivors. Where does that info come from?

That comes from the boys’ discussion on the Basement Tapes:

“The official report notes, “Based on comments Klebold and Harris made in their homemade videotapes, the investigation determined the two planned to shoot any surviving students able to escape from the cafeteria after the bombs exploded.” “
– Page 413-414  Columbine: A True Crime Story by Jeff Kass