Yes, the Ever-lasting contrast. Since existence has known, the 'fight' between good & evil has continued. Obviously, this fight can never end. Good things turn bad, bad things become good. My fav. contrasting symbol, because it is so true & means so much – the battle between good & bad never ends… Here we ponder on the tragedy of Dylan Klebold.
Finally, on some whim, Bill Ockham decided to post the long awaited, full “Dylan Behind Blackjack Pizza interview” complete with Brooks Brown asking Dylan questions. Yes, folks, now we no longer have to string together pixelated video snippets of the interview and imagine (or attempt lip reading to suss out) exactly what Dylan was saying. And now we don’t have to resort to merging the incomplete audio version of Brooks and Dylan’s Q and A with those disjointed, fuzzy, video clips as was done a few months back to arrive at semi-complete satisfaction at seeing this interview. Yes, now, finally, we have the entire thing in all it’s near HD crystal clearness (well for 90s quality) with Dylan finishing his tale of how he and Zack precociously pranked their favorite theatre teacher Mrs. Caruthers (affectionately known as “Mrs. C”) while prepping the stage and got her to utter a variety of expletives in her frustration.
Speaking of expletives, I was thoroughly amused at when Brooks asked Dylan what swear words Mrs. C used “exactly” while “bitching out the entire cast in the dressing room”, Dylan’s voice goes up a slight octave as he looks a way in thought and considers his words carefully “Umm m… (long pause)….I don’t exactly remember. She didn’t use all the cuss words”. To me, it’s so obvious that Dylan was a tad to sheepishly embarrassed to flat out offer up this information since he knew Mrs. C was eventually going to see him repeating back her swears on the final Frankenstein Roast video to her – that is until Brooks interrupts him and starts blatantly flings out a variety of swear words at him “DAMN” “HELL” “SHIT” and ah, yes! now it’s all coming back to him (as if it was ever that vague in the first place hahaha!) – Dylan (suddenly) remembers in agreement and – ah, well, the hell – repeats back said swear words directly at Brooks and deadpan to the camera). “And… (Dylan muses a tad.. no. definitely no “F*CK” was said) …you..you could hear it from the auditorium.” Brooks laughs amusedly “that was good” he comments. Dylan smiles and smiles and rejoins “so…that was pretty dumb”. Admittedly, I’m so pleased that we got to see this entire interview (Ockham mentioned to me that this is it for the Blackjack Interview; there aren’t any more questions in this snippet). Glimpsing the bashfulness of Dylan as just an ordinary boy is so bittersweet. It is even more abundantly apparent to me how difficult it has been for his close friends and family to reconcile how he ended up committing the atrocity that chose to partaken in…And it’s hard to fathom that it was merely only roughly 6+ months after this interview.
Ockham also stated in his YT Live last evening that there are other snippets of Dylan on the video tape. Including an innocuous, mundane snippet of Dylan killin’ it eating some Chile’s food. And of course, we all would want to see all of this stuff, wouldn’t we? Not really because it’s gratuitous but because we have to see this extraordinarily ordinary stuff simply because it helps us to process the banality that is evil. That if even someone like Dylan is capable of doing such a horrible thing – then, really, we all are capable, aren’t we? We are all one and the same. It’s important to understand this, to own Dylan and Eric as ourselves, as we all have our own personal, private, dark struggles in life. And ultimately it is all about choices that is the difference. In my opinion, this ‘in the trenches’ approach of identification and relatability is key to prevention.
One afternoon, Dylan, age 10, came running back from the creek with a pile of leeches. Normally unflappable, Klebold’s mother was disgusted by her son’s blood-sucking treasures; Dylan loved it, the fun of grossing out Mom.
— Exorcising the pain, US News, 5/2/99
One summer afternoon, when Dylan was about eight, we went on a picnic with Judy Brown and her two boys. The kids were catching crayfish in the creek, and Dylan lost his balance on the slippery rocks and fell into the shallow water with a splash. He emerged unhurt but furious: livid about the pratfall, and even angrier that everyone else had laughed. We tried to help him to see the humor in it—Byron would likely have hammed it up further by taking an elaborate bow—but Dylan went to the car and refused to speak to anyone until he felt able to face the world again. The reaction seemed outsized, but it only cemented what we already knew: Dylan felt embarrassment more acutely than other kids did. — Sue Klebold – A Mother’s Reckoning
We also discovered the joys of chasing crawdads at the creek near my house. Dylan would come over, and we’d grab a couple of jars and head down to the creek. When we’d caught a few crawdads, we’d put them in our terrarium and keep them for a few weeks. Sometimes our moms would take us to the park together; the adults would sit on benches and talk while Dylan and I chased frogs. — Brooks Brown – No Easy Answers
Judy [Brown] first saw him blow when he was eight or nine. They had driven down to a creek bed for a typical adventure. Sue Klebold had come along-horrified by all the mud, but bearing it to bond with her boy. Officially, it was a crawdad hunt, but they were always on the lookout for frogs or tadpoles or anything that might slither by. Sue fretted about bacteria, hectoring the boys to behave and keep clean.
They’d brought a big bucket to haul the crawdads home, but came back up the hillside with nothing to show. Then one of the boys slogged out of the creek with a leech attached to his leg. The kids all went delirious. They plopped the leech into the frog jar – a mayonnaise bottle with holes punched in the lid – and watched it incessantly. They had a picnic lunch and then ran back for more fun in the creek. The water was only a foot deep, but too murky for them to see the bottom. Dylan’s tennis shoes squished down into the glop. All the boys were slipping around, but Dylan took a nastier slide. He wheeled his arms wildly to catch himself, lost the battle, and smacked down on his butt. His shorts were soaked instantly; dank black water splashed his clean T-shirt. Brooks and his brother, Aaron, howled; Dylan went ballistic.
“Stop!” he screamed. “Stop laughing at me! Stop! Stoooooooooooooooooooooop!”
The laughing ended abruptly. Brooks and Aaron were a little alarmed. They had never seen a kid freak out like that. Judy rushed over to comfort Dylan, but he was inconsolable. Everybody was silent now, but Dylan kept screaming for them to stop.
Sue grabbed him by the wrist and whisked him away. It took her several minutes to calm him down. –Dave Cullen – Cullenbine
I noticed how intensely Dylan was conversing with Mrs C. He was super focused and engaged with her as if what they were discussing was of crucial importance. And Zack was like his anchor to break a smile and relax momentarily. However, his body language, with awkwardly folded arms, was all kinds of uncomfortable as he stands there enduring a social situation and trying to co-exist in a sea of people (all much shorter than himself) and not being able to meld. The sense is that he related to most of the crew around him as distant school work acquaintances. And Dylan seems to seek out Zack whenever possible and follows him around like his security blanket much of the time. We don’t really see him engaging with the other students – at least not in the 4:25 of the vid. He doesn’t even chat with John Savage or Devon Adams (standing right near him and looking very diminutive in his tall, gangly (and emaciated) presence.
Dylan is very careful with the handling of his coat. When he takes it off, he doesn’t bunch it up in his arms as most people would tend to do but rather, holds the coat out dangling before him while he is crouched near the edge of the stage discussing play technical details with Mrs. C and Zack. He may have learned to take extra care with the handling of his coat due to the fabric being “oil skin” which I’m guessing might get permanent crinkles if scrunched up in his arms. Oh, and, you gotta love the way Dylan just jumps off the stage as if it’s nothing. I’ve been in that theater…that ledge is not exactly a hop, skip, and a jump.. except for Mr. Long Legs. 🙂
Near the end, to my painful observations, Zack appears to be almost blatantly? ignoring Dylan who had just jumped off the stage in concern as to what Zack was complaining about (staring at the ceiling with an exasperated “Well, that’s just GREAT.”. Dylan says “what’s wrong?” as he jumps down and then seems awkward and rather lost that Zack brushes past him without a word. I have a theory on this snapshot of their relationship in this tiny end segment which is kind of disheartening.. Notice the rhythmic, odd hand/finger gesturing he is doing. Sue mentioned in her book that Dylan would often click his hands while anxious or in thought. It’s almost like he is self soothing. Lastly, Dylan looks like such a baby in this last image. He morphs fluidly between man-child at age 17.
Such the efficient theater tech ever observing everything from the sidelines, gazing down at the sea of your peers everyone existing below you, seeing only the tops of their heads, with a lonesome, somber expression. An occasional small smile for your best friend, Zack. But mainly, you are going through the motions of your life. So very tall, so very thin that you are literally swimming in your pants. Mrs. C engages you. So glad she made you feel included in the Frankenstein production..and many others. Alas…we are still wistfully thinking of you down here on the earth and the suffering and pain you caused within your own silent suffering. The tragedy that was and is you. No one knew. But in we can see it here. Wishing you could still exist here beside us all at 39 to have lived the rich fullness of your life with as many or more good times to eclipse all the downs that you could only myopically see then. Happy Birthday Dylan. Many still think of you; we wish you were here. We wished you had lived the fullness of your life and that others had been spared to live the fullness of their own.
We’ve been imagining this one for a few years now. I recall a lot of lip readers trying to help out on the old Tumblr E-C. Ahh.. feels so great when the puzzle piece is put into place! Here were have the full snippet of Brooks interviewing Dylan behind Blackjack and Dylan recounting a fun time they had pranking Mrs “C” (Caruthers), their beloved theatre teacher.
I think this is what people meant when eyewitnesses often described Dylan as “goofy” or “goofy looking” in the 11K.
I’m speculating that Dylan and Zack are in the sound room near the sound board when Brooks calls out to Dylan (first few photos). He appears to be wearing his duster too. Interesting to note how long, thin, and oblong his face appears in that one shot. Wowza. Fun to glimpse the social, animated side of Dylan and his shared camaraderie with Zack (and Brooks) – being part of this creative, theater friends sans Eric. I do wished he had only hung out with this group.
“New” never-before-seen Dylan video footage (along with clearer video footage we’ve seen) in an obscure interview with Judy and Brooks Brown (eight months after the tragedy). Below is the edited montage of the Dylan snippets. The full interview is in the link below. Hopefully, with any luck, this reddit embed will play on WordPress. *crosses fingers* (Click the below video 2 times to play).
This is heartening.. that yes, we will continue to get released footage..with time and patiences. It will eventually come out of the woodwork with people deciding to come forward and post their VHS video collection footage. And who knows, maybe even the Basement Tapes, eventually? Yeah, I know. That might be pushing our luck. 😉 But wait!, that’s not all: there is another Brown family Oprah interview that was also posted late last evening. That will be up next – plus, the photo screenshots to follow in future posts.
Finally. So, glad that Randy was able to accomplish publishing his insiders take on Columbine along with his words-of-wisdom on the reoccurring school shooting problem and how it should be address to truly begin to tackle it head-on. I understand that Randy was really ill there for a while so I was really crossing my fingers that he would find the strength to preserve and finish his book!
Go check it out and write a review if you’re up for it. I just bought mine and am truly looking forward to seeing his angle on things as I agree with him that bullying was an instrumental component which laid the foundation for this tragic event.
Brooks Brown interviewing Dylan Klebold “the little sound guy they used to have” at Columbine.
[audio credit: spishakwax]
The voice interviewing clearly is Brooks Brown and that is most definitely Dylan relaying an amusing theatre anecdote in his usual hesitantly-stilted, shy, soft-spoken manner…the slam dunk is his distinct “pfff” in response and “hehe” sneaky laugh.
Given that we can hear a airplane in the backdrop, it’s most likely that the interview took place outside (and so couldn’t logically be part of the Frankenstein Roast story-telling inside the theater that Dylan partook in along side Zack and Brooks though this interview was likely related to it like perhaps an introduction to it). This does, in fact, support the claim that Brooks may indeed had interviewed Dylan behind Blackjack. For many years now, we’ve only had snippets of Dylan being filmed – by a mystery cameraman in question – behind Blackjack sans the audio. Dylan is just gesturing and verbally articulating without a peep. I am much more convinced with this audio clip airing publicly that Brooks was the potential interviewer – now, we just need the full audio including this snippet, as part of the Blackjack video, to support the case for it (I’m about 75% on board) Then again? it could just as easily be Brooks interviewing Dylan anywhere outside. But, well, Brooks (or someone else?) will have to just release the entire shabang to make a true believer out of us all. 😉 Hehe.
Brooks introduces “This is Dylan Klebold the little sound guy we used to have. What is the stupidest thing Mrs. C has ever done?”
Dylan laughs. “Uh, pfff, I’d have to say that would be a combination of stupid and funny. During one of the performances, the musical, I think it was the Music Man, uh Zack was on lights, I was doing sound and we had little headsets and uh, we got her to successfully bitch out the entire cast in the, uh, dressing rooms cause we kept uh..(unintelligible)”
A recent podcast with a more mellow recently turned 38-year-old Brooks Brown (his birthday was last month, July 14th). You can tell the therapy he’s been undergoing has been beneficial but he’s still very bitter about how people only see him as forever linked to the tragedy. Brooks even alludes to how fucked up, alone, and depressed he was a few years back when everything began to crash and burn including his first marriage when then made a sudden move from the SF Bay Area down to LA, met his second wife-to-be, and began some serious therapy. I’m glad to see that he’s really beginning to address/work through everything that had damaged him since that day. Thanks to the anon that gave me the heads up about this interview. 🙂 I spent the last couple of days typing up some highlights from the podcast. A lot of Stanhope’s interjections just grated on my nerves and quite frankly. I personally don’t understand what Brooks sees in the guy! He’s not very funny at all. I found myself mentally telling him to shut it because I wanted to hear the rest of the thought Brooks was trying to finish saying. Grrr! It was also rather annoying how unfussed and philosophically kind Brooks is about Cullen’s book even in his admission that the dude denied that his friends had been bullied and it played a part in the tragedy. I know that Brooks’ dad Randy cannot stand Dave Cullen.
“It’s High school bullshit basically. If you remove all the shootings and murders of children..it’s normal high school bullshit. Again, it’s normal high school shit sort of brought to life with this other side that people didn’t think about at the time. Columbine wasn’t the thing that normally happened. School shootings were still weird. It wasn’t a thing that happened in America every week that we kind of went “oh there was another twelve kids that died this week. Okay, cool. So, what’s playing in the movie theater?” It was a different world. “ “…They changed the world back then. I sit there and I go ‘you know Eric and Dylan talked about it openly, very openly, about how they wanted to set this trend. About how they wanted to create this and have all these people kill people and do this.”
“Dylan and I never really had a falling out. It was stress because Eric was this dude in the middle who hated me – friends with Dylan and all that.”
“He knew how the story was going for him. He was kind of like “that’s fine. The story is going to end with me murdering a lot of people. I’m perfectly fine with making friends with you for the time being..or something, I have no idea. (Eric) He was cool, and Dylan was cool and they were relaxed about pretty much.. everything. It’s terrifying. Looking back and not seeing the faces of anger and rage. If I could see that shit, like I’d be like ‘okay, cool this comes from a place of pure anger, pure rage, pure hatred, like this shit that we see in movies, like Thanos level of hatred that you see in Avengers, like epic. No. No, no. This comes from this place of ‘yeah, no, I’m ready to murder a lot of people and I’m kinda okay with that and this is the way it’s going to go and it’s a little methodical, a little cold, with a scary side but you know? Psychopath?”
“Until I got home – my family had already – we had a home with a lot of TVs like we were a tv family. In the late nineties didn’t mean Netflix but having a lot of TVs. And we had a lot of TVs going with every channel, like in different rooms. And we were watching the live broadcast. Which was one of the most fucked up experiences of my life of the whole thing. And that’s when they displayed the names and faces of Eric and Dylan, we knew. My mom was already there. We knew. I was like “Eric did it, therefore, Dylan’s involved. This is the way it goes.” My mom was already with the Klebolds. And it became this downward “who are we going to be able to see that’s alive.” We watched the news.”
“It was a few years later that I found a couple of friends who stuck with me through the whole thing. A woman who I ended up marrying – my first wife, who was wonderful – through the whole thing. School shootings was a thing I searched often. Like I was just, because I was curious because it just started happening after Columbine. Eric and Dylan won – like, as far as people want to talk about 9/11 people won – the terrorists won, people won, they won. Eric and Dylan won. Shits happening all the time, and we are living in a fairly perpetual state of fear. But the realty is, the shootings are done not against the kids, they’re not done against any particular person – much as I’d love to say cause they were based in bullying and hatred of the system at all that -they weren’t against any particular person. They were against the system. There’s a reason they went into the library. They shot the computers and the librarian’s desk and all these symbolic bullshit things. There’s a great book by Mark Ames, fantastic. Ames writes an amazing book (“Going Postal”) on general rage shooters, and he calls them “rage shooters” for a reason. And it’s – there is ‘postal shooters’, “workplace shooters” and “school shooters” and they aren’t shooting up a person, they aren’t shooting up a thing. They’re shooting up existence. And it’s a fantastic really smart read that I think gets closer to the reason Columbine happened more than anything else. Even my own book, which I was proud of when I wrote – and I’m still proud of it because it’s my own words and all that fun stuff called “No Easy Answers”. And my co-writer – I have to give him credit – Rob Merritt – a wonderful guy who helped me figure out what the fuck I was going to write because I could literally chat for hours about it. I wrote the book 3 years after. You know Rob came out for a long time – I ended up going to Iowa where Rob lived to write it. It took a long time tp write because I didn’t know what I wanted to say. It took me 2-3 years to figure out what I even thought about things. The book was ultimately – not to talk shit about my own book you should buy it please cause I like .65 cents for every copy. The reality is – it was the reality in the moment, at 22 years old – coming out with ‘here’s what I think happened, here’s how I felt about it’ and all this – but at 38 years old, I have a whole different fucking mentality about it. I’m a dad now, I’m married to my second wife, I have a different job, I have a different world. Everything’s different; obviously, my place in the world is different.”
“But you know I look at these different books that have been written – such as Dave Cullens book which you mentioned – I have read it. Everyone has different opinions about what happened. It’s not a bad read. I don’t discourage people from reading it. It’s a different perspective on all the facts. Jeff Kass – wonderful book as well on Columbine that’s much more factual, much more reportedly. Ralph Larkin wrote a book on it. There’s been a lot of books written about it. (He admits at one point that he’s read all of them) And they all come from different perspectives and I think the reality is to find the truth – you kind of read all of them? But there are sides to it that people miss out cause the Dave Cullen one – that I think drives me nuts – is that bullying wasn’t a factor. And he says that very explicitly: that Eric and Dylan were the bullies. And I don’t know if I were to ever believe that? I can’t imagine how bullies would go out shooting people. Like, if you’re a bully, you live on the high, you’re at the top, you’re beating the shit out of people on an everyday basis – why would you fucking want to check out? Like, your life is like that of treating other people as shit and being above them. You don’t need to shoot them up. That’s not – if you read Eric’s writing and all that – Bullies enjoy the low-level celebrity that comes with being a bully. If you go into the aftermath of Columbine and you read the articles, you read the quotes in Time Magazine or Newsweek where people talk about ‘they were faggots and we treated them like shit.’ Of course. But like Dave Cullen and Jeff Kass – who I may disagree on a number of things, the reality is that they aren’t like shitty reporters. It’s not like they went into it like an agenda (?!?!) ‘here’s what we’re gonna to’. They have their opinions; they use their facts. And I find it interesting because the reality is my life is just my perspective – I don’t know if it’s fucking reality.”
“There is a point in your life where – and I hit it a few years ago – really hard – where your life has been defined when you meet people. Like I met you, I went on Napster and I searched “school shooting. Like I love The Onion, and The Onion had a great article after Columbine that said “Jocks Allowed to Safely Return to Bullying” and it had a literal photo of the front of our high school and the actual campus officer we were assigned, Neal (Gardner) and that was fucking brilliant. Too real for a lot of people. No, it’s real, but it’s a joke in that this is the reality. Like I stand outside of a funeral for one of the students who was killed and the brother of one of the guys (Dusty Hoffschneider) who was absolutely one of the most brutal of fucking bullies (Rocky Hoffschneider) that we had says “I know what caused this; I’m sorry.” Like holy shit that’s like a whole level of real where it hits you at a core level – there’s no way to defend it. There’s no way you can have a symbology or a religion or a way of beliefs that allows you to defeat whatever that person said – that’s so fucking simply true.”
“It meant a lot that you reached me because I would put very few people in this campus of liked people who reached me because it went for years where I was a dark, self-hating, angry person who felt very alone – genuinely. I had awful depression that I ended up having to get therapy with. I ended up going through a divorce – awful. Awful life. This very much led on from the trauma and the sadness and the awfulness that still follows me a lifetime later. More of a life time than I had before the shootings still follows me to this day. I go to have conversations with people today – and I do this one piece for Tribeca film festival – and it’s not a small thing to win Tribeca – it’s an amazing thing in New York. We had people go through it and said it was the most power VR experience they’d been through in their lives. But that is not what I’m googled for. That’s not how it works. That’s not how life works. No matter what I fucking do this is the thing. This is my life, this trauma, this awful shit is the life I’m going to lead. It’s the story I have no choice but to tell every day. My advice for David Hogg is to keep fighting. It’s a different time. When I was going through it and trying there wasn’t social media, there wasn’t people behind it, there was nobody fighting for it. It just didn’t exist. The truth of the matter is that guns caused this – whatever your stance on guns – guns are a factor. Mental Health is a factor. All of these things – there’s factors. We can rank them however you want to rank them – let’s start solving them. Keep fighting for them. Keep pushing because David Hogg – whoever comes next – he’s been pushed no he’s launched himself into the spotlight. But the reality is, your life 18-19 years – and I can say this – is going to be by your most google-able moments. As fucked up as the internet is. That’s the way the internet works. It’s not how I want it to work.; it’s not how anyone wants it to work. We want our proudest moments to be on display but that’s not how it goes.
“But if I was sitting across from David Hogg, I would look at him and I would go “Look, you do what you believe is right. You’ll be paying for it for the rest of your life. That’s it. Be ready for that, every moment of your life, you’re going to be paying for whatever you believe is right as a teenager, as a twentysomething, as an idealist, whatever you may be, you’re going to be paying for that forever. You’re that guy.” I did shit. I did it proudly I’m not ashamed of it and my life has become more than that but.. it’s not. It is whatever the world sees it as. We are only as powerful as the world sees us thanks to Google and wonderful social media as it is.”
“I dwell in the past … thinking of good & bad memories.” 🧡
Wonder what his tshirt is..
At last! I’ve located the 60 Minutes interview featuring that Nate Dykeman interview. Among other goodies; 🙂
1:12 sharper senior photos of Eric posed by the bench 30:04 – Brooks Brown, Randy and Judy Brown interviews 35:51 – two more clearer Eric senior photo 34:02 – Nate Dykeman interview (yes that one!) 34:44 – Devon Adams interview – reported Eric to the school; clearly no love.
I found this 60 minutes to be pretty interesting thorough show. They really pursue and demonstrate to us how unquestionably poor Jeffco police/SWAT handled Columbine. Lives were lost due to their lack of action. They justify it as following the protocol they had in place which is basically a passive ‘wait and see’ response but no adequate excuses can be given to justify the lives that were lost because of their lack of flexibility in an emergency situation. Their fuck up cost their own children’s lives. Some of those cops had children in that school too! The poor parents, two years in and filled with grief, still do not understand how police could’ve stayed outside waiting hours to get the green light to go into the school and do their job. Even then, the cops went in on the far/east side of the school (where none of the action occurred) and slowly combed through. Such a waste of time and resources. Today, Eric and Dylan would not at all have had the upper hand they were given by the authorities back in ‘99. It’s amazing when you think of E and D walking around lazily in the cafeteria trying to get the bombs to explode when they could clearly see the cops surrounding the school from the cafeteria windows. They must have continually wondered why in the back of their minds that no confrontation was happening. They were ruling the roost for far longer than any school shooter today would be allowed to.
In this clip there is a “new”, of sorts, video clip from the theater on the Brown’s computer monitor filmed at a distance for this doc. Zack (or whoever this may be) is making a exaggerated, over-the-top “yessir!” nod to Dylan. The two are likely goofing off while going over the lights/sound aspects of the play. The Browns dialog that Dylan is laughing and joking around with the crew and it’s so incongruous because he was secretly planning to kill many classmates which would probably include some of his own theater crew that he enjoyed hanging around with.
In the backdrop is an unknown girl actress in an old fashion dress costume walking forward behind Dylan. She has a gown with puffed sleeves and her hair is made up period style. This is likely the Frankenstein play (placing this around Nov/Dec ‘98) since Brooks had a big hand directing the play and also acted as a very central character as Frankenstein’s monster and it would make sense why his parents were filming this so concertedly.
As Dylan walks off the stage, the very last person on the end stairs is probably Brooks. You can see Randy Brown filming at the very edge.
This is the reason Dylan appears extremely tall next to everyone else! When I attended a conference at Columbine last summer, I noticed this platform in the orchestra pit. It confirmed my suspicions that Dylan was standing on this while the crew was milling about him making him appear a good foot taller than everyone.
As promised…this is the infamous, sleazy chat files that took place between Brooks and a girl that went by the name ‘Alice’ and ‘Chloe’. She was into the aesthetic of looking like a human doll. Apparently, she also trolled the Columbiner communities online and contacted Brooks on FB. Brooks seemed to take a liking to her doll-like looking FB photo so decided to continue giving her the time of day chatting with her. Their conversations quickly devolved into sex chats. There first convo took place October 7, 2012 on Facebook progressing to AIM October 23 through November possibly Decemeber-ish 2012 in which Brooks used his ancient AOL username ‘littletonpunkguy’ or hil gty while chatting with ‘Alice’.
Here’s snippets from their convos with highlights:
For the entire chat transcript files between BB & Alice: [X]
Warning! read at your own risk for kinky sex content. What has been seen cannot be unseen. 😉
I don’t believe these are all of her chat transcripts but they are the ones that Alice chose to leak on Tumblr so we don’t really know how long they kept in touch and when their online shenanigans ended. It must not have ended too well so that by the time Brooks crashed Tumblr she had it out for him being that creepy older guy trolling girls much younger than him and even into non legal, under aged girls as she had found out. The chats between the two of them was a mutual kind of fuck-up. He wanted the kinky scenario of making her his young, pure porcelain doll in which he spoke about breaking’ but in exchange, she told him he could have her as his possession as long as he would continue to comply and divulge insider information about Dylan and Eric.
Around the time period that these tawdry chats took place, Brooks ended up making some drastic lifestyle changes, he and his wife divorced and he ended up moving from the San Francisco Bay Area for LA. He switched from LucasArts to working for James Cameron’s Lightstorm productions.
In March 2013, Brooks decided he wanted to give Tumblr a try as an experiment to expand his presence in social media. He spent the first part of the week answering Q’A’s under his selected username ‘defens’ . A ¼ of the questions were about him and his video game careers and the majority was about, you guessed it! Columbine questions since Tumblr has a rather vast Columbiner community – which he should’ve known about and probably did. Alice/Chloe had a Tumblr as ‘cherrypoppies’ and when she caught wind of his Tumblr appearance and decided that his creepy, pedo pursuit of her was something that other young girls should be aware, she decided to blow the whistle on Mr. Pedo brooks by posting the chats as well as his erotic masturbatory vids sent to her. Within the span of one week, and a weekend maybe, of Brooks’ stint on Tumblr, his blog suddenly quietly vanished and his Facebook and Twitter was heavily filtered and on lock-down from the public and only open for people he knew.
The stilted, sophisticated, arrogant manner in which hil gty speaks to Alice comes across the way Brooks communicates online in both his Reddit and snarky Tumblr q/a answers. There’s also clues as to why I feel it’s him besides the sheer volume of chat dialog. Brooks seems evasivee to speak to Alice about Columbine and he refers to it as ‘sad’ which, in the past, seems to be his main adjective used to describe his feelings on Columbine in other instances. When he does finally divulge something to Alice, it’s like little snippets of good memory that he’d previously forgotten that seems to have popped into his head as in when he remembers doing lights with Dylan and Zach during the Bye, Bye Birdie production at Columbine or camping out for the re-release of Star Wars at the Continental Theatre (if you look it up, that theater checks out as having been one of the selected to show the re-releases in ‘97) or watching ‘great and terrible’ movies in Zach’s basement. His knee jerk sensitivity when she mentioned that he was ‘selling out’ sounds like him. He denies that he’s used Columbine or that he’s lied not hasn’t made money off of it and yet there he is doing it – using Columbine by exploiting her for his own twisted sexual predatory ambiitions. There’s just many components about the chatter’s style of speaking and what is said that makes it very convincing that it’s Brooks.
During the time this all leaked while I was in the midst of observing Brooks doing Tumblr answers and I even asked him a couple of questions myself, I just had that sinking feeling after seeing bits of the evidence that began to post all over. And then those gawd awful videos of him. It was a moment you wanted to bleach your eyes out. It just seemed to all click and make a sick kind of sense. You know how that feels? When you know something to be true even though you really wished it wasn’t. My idea of who Brooks was vastly changed in the course of a week. He was no longer the role-model that had survived Columbine that wrote a book against anti-bullying and spoke in favor of his victim friends, Eric and Dylan. No, Brooks had changed from what he was back in 2002 when he wrote No Easy. Now, he was just an adult in his thirties with an unsatisfactory marriage who was looking for cheap sexual kink entertainment even at the expense of exploiting a young, but not so entirely innocent girl. Moot point whether her behavior was innocent or not at eighteen, he, as an adult male, ought to know better! While, I don’t doubt that Brooks has done a lot of positive representation about Columbine in the past, he’s not doing a very good job of it these days. It’s apparent to me that he’s made it out of Columbine as a warped individual. He’s simultaneously runs away from Columbine yet comes back to it all at the same time by using Columbine as something to leverage his own video game career. And with this, he’s exploited Columbine as a sexual predatory to gain certain fantasy kink satisfactions. The fact that she laid out the bait and he took it and wouldn’t let go, says a lot about his character. In knowing that she may actually be 15 and not 18, well, apparently, that was not a problem for him either. The idea that he’d get off on being a predatory with the satisfaction of soiling her virginal purity and ‘breaking’ her even is just not healthy behavior. He ought to know better but he apparently didn’t give a shit. Since his Tumblr stint, I simply see Brooks with a very different lens. Others prefer to ignore this incident and to still see him as that great Columbine ‘celebrity’ but I don’t really see him as being helpful to youth the way he had been in the early days when he really gave a fuck. Brook’s is weary of Columbine. Who can fault him for that? But when he uses Columbine to garner attention or exploits Eric and Dylan memories to obtain a teenage girl to satisfy his kinky perversions, it’s just for all the very wrong reasons to keeps himself associated with the tragedy. Not to mention that it’s just scummy. And why did he come on Tumblr? He had to have known the plethora of Columbiners who almost certainly would hound him for questions on the subject, most especially E & D, and yet he came here and mostly gave out snark answers about the subject. In the end, Tumblr bit him in the ass and he tucked tail and left. Funny that he had the arrogance to think he could do what he did in a chat with a girl and think that none of that might come back on him or his career. There is no easy answers for me about Brooks Brown after this incident which I personally believe to be the truth. Anyway, the scandalous, cheap,and dirty ‘Brooks Files’ are now available. Take a look and judge for yourselves!
If anyone else was present during this epic Tumblr scandal (lol) and has anything to add about the incident, please do so. 🙂
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