Tag: Dylan Klebold

did Dylan really want to pull the NBK with his lover? how did he want this to go? i know that he didn’t really want to do it with eric but he knew that it was his only option because obviously his love wouldn’t do that with him.

I think Dylan initially thought of going NBK with best friend, Zach. They were very close, often commiserated in their shared dissatisfaction with life; they talked about intensely private stuff on the phone and even cried together. So, given that, it seemed the Zach was likely Dylan’s obvious choice when he had begun to entertain ‘NBK’ or ‘my killing spree’ in his journal. At some point, Dylan fell for a girl, or two (lol), and having watched ‘Natural Born Killers’ enough times, it seems equally plausible that his fantasies may have solidified on the ‘Bonnie and Clyde’ Us-against-The-World romantic scenario. How did he want this to go? If you look to the movie “Natural Born Killers” as a reference it pretty much gives you the gist of his potential suicidal foreplay with a guy/girl partner in crime duo. (I also think it’s pretty obvious that Dylan tried to emulate Mickey Knox with the same type of sun glasses and ponytail.)

After ‘“Fate” did not put Her in need of him and decide when they should be together,’ as he’d hoped, and since Zach was now happily distracted with a steady girlfriend, Dylan realized at some point, that his preferential options were running out to end his damnable ‘stasis’. His only remaining choice was to actually go through with doing NBK with Eric. “Maybe going “NBK” (gawd) with Eric is the way to break free.” He ends his concluded solution with a muttered resignation “I hate this.” It’s interesting because Dylan seems essentially preparing for two different NBKs simultaneously: in reality, he and Eric have been physically planning and preparing for NBK creating weapons, procuring guns and such for quite some time, yet, in Dylan’s fantasy world, he probably had envisioned His Love and himself together against humanity before fulfilling their suicide pact. “I’m STILL alone, still in pain, so is she.” After he embraces NBK with Eric, Dylan seems to be satisfied that his true love will never reveal herself on the earth because it just wasn’t supposed to happen in this lifetime – because “Fate” decided he would unite with Her on the other side or in the next life. So, no need to worry about it. NBK with Eric as his partner, would provide the necessary vehicle to his exit from this world so that he could find his way to His Love and be free.

“So I wait 5 more days. 5 more days. 5 eternities, & I know her & I are all conceived from ourselves & each other, every night of the self-awareness journey. The zombies were a test, to see if our love was genuine. We are in wait of our reward, each other. The zombies will never cause us pain anymore. The humanity was a test. I love you, love. Time to die, time to be free, time to love.”

Quirks: The idiosyncrasies of DBK

Trenchcoat

Judy Brown, mother of Brooks Brown, recalling an incident that happened four months before the massacre when Dylan was dining at a restaurant with his mother, Sue. Dylan had on his coat and those glasses and as Sue looked around the restaurant she thought people were uncomfortable and afraid of him. Then she said, ‘Dylan, people are afraid of you with that on. You need to take it off.’ And he just smile at her. I think when he got this coat, it was the first time he ever felt power in his life.

Even though his fashion sense and temperament had changed, Dylan remained polite. It was as if he was uncomfortable with his new image. When he showed up at the Hecklers’ in the trench coat, he’d always leave it in his car before coming in the house. Heckler said that, for some time, he had noticed that Dylan Klebold was becoming different.

“We watched the change in Dylan,” (Mark Heckler) he said. “He came around less and less.” And yet: “When he came to visit us, he’d take the trench coat off and leave it in the car.” It was almost as though a persona went along with the trench coats, one that was more apparent in school, where other students said Klebold and Harris wore the distinctive garb no matter what the weather.

Quirks: The idiosyncrasies of DBK

Glasses

Dylan grew his brown hair longer during senior year. When he broke his glasses, he didn’t get new ones. He taped the busted ones together with white tape. “He liked that kind of quirkiness,” a friend says. “Something that’s not accepted. Trying to find a way to make a statement.”

everlasting-contrast:

Mag from Dylans Tec-9 with live rounds still in it.

TEC(-9)hnical Difficulties?

In regards to how many shots fired by Dylan:

9MM INTRA-TEC SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL MODEL TEC-DC9 [CBI 23/JCSO 903] 9MM MAGAZINES: 4 

Library West:
CBI 34/JCSO 1093 [Magazine with 3 Rounds],

Main Hallway:
CBI 30/JCSO 1859 [Broken Magazine and Frame/Spring],

Outside:
CBI 213/JCSO 2358 [50 Round Magazine with 40 Rounds],

BMW (Klebold):
CBI 991/JCSO 6004 [{36 Round} Magazine with 34 Rounds] – Found Between Driver’s Seat/Floor Board

As you can see Dylan was misplacing/dropping/having trouble with the magazines that day. In the basement tapes, Dylan states that he has a “50 round clip, two 36’s & a 24”

Well, 1 of the 36 round magazines was found in his BMW & the 50 round magazine was found on the grass outside on the hill where E&D had been.

34 rounds were found in the 36 round mag & 40 rounds were found in the 50 round mag = 74 live [not fired] rounds.

Dylan had shortchanged himself of over half of his 9mm ammo that day.

Also, Dylan fired 19 rounds from one spot in the Main Hallway, where a BROKEN magazine was found. There were no remaining rounds found in that magazine.

Therefore, sometime into the shooting, Dylan was down to only 1 working magazine.

Classic reblog. Also for c0atimundi

why did he straddle the girls leg? just so he could reload or to stab her but he lost interest in it?

When the report says “straddle” it basically means his left and right boot was standing on opposite sides, parallel to her leg/foot which was partially sticking out from under the table. He clunked his weapons onto the table and started reloading (more stuff meant to unnerve people) as his boots were standing there about the girl’s leg. I’m sure Dylan felt a sense of power in that moment, knowing his boots were encompassing the bare leg of some unknown girl. In a moment of badassery, he loudly/casually entertains the idea of him and Eric using knives to cut people for the fun of it. I believe that A) Dylan was waiting for, kind of testing, Eric’s response to this and not really expecting that Eric would be super enthusiastic – and – 2) that mainly he said this to psychologically mind fuck those hiding nearby with the threat of it – but most especially directing it at the girl right below who could see/feel his boots standing in close proximity about her leg.

ive started reading the 11k’s and im curious.. some people said they heard either eric or dylan say ‘yeah, lets start stabbing people’ & ‘you know what ive always wanted to do?’ .. ‘yeah, stab people’. Was it Dylan or Eric who wanted to stab people? I read somewhere that Eric wanted to scalp someone but I also read it was Dylan who wanted to scalp someone?

It was Dylan that mentioned he wanted to use knives and to paraphrase his rhetorical statement based on various combinations of witness testimony: ‘maybe we should start stabbing people, that might be more fun’. The manner in which Dylan announced this idea while straddling a girl’s leg, demonstrates, to me, that it was psychological terror tactic: an idle threat considered rather loudly for the benefit of the terrified audience underneath the tables nearby them.  

Both boys collected knives but I think Dylan had a bit more of a fascination for that form of weapon. He self harmed and so I just get the impression that since Dylan understood what it felt like to inflict the type of pain cutting himself gave, the conflicting mix of emotions from the act of it, he also considered what it must be like to externalize that sensation – to share that pain since he understood that physical sensation only within the realm of his own perception as the receiver of it.  Why not be the giver of that pain onto others and see how that might feel to be the source of suffering onto other people’s flesh?   I also think, too, that the thrill of going around shooting people with guns had lost it’s novelty rather quickly. Especially since they weren’t really planning on doing that the entire time, and they were hoping for the bombs to do most of the damage.  Since, Eric was a bit woozy from the broken nose, Dylan was trying to up the ante by suggesting they try knives for more ‘fun’. Eric didn’t bite and show enthusiasm for that idea so Dylan did not take the initiative.

if the boys can come back to the earth and visit does that mean they know about the iphones and all the new technology, how the columbine massacre got so famous etc? btw what about the victims? are they all together?

​Yes, sure, definitely aware of all of the above. The smart phones, essentially a mini computer held in the palm of your hand, or Wifi instead of atrociously slow dial up, um, of course? 😉 They’re curious and amused by the technological advancements but no longer vested in the material stuff as they once were in their last incarnation/persona.

The victims no longer remain as such simply by our labeling them forever ‘victims’. once they’ve crossed over. That was a ‘role’ they chose to assume while participating in the Columbine event. Each spirit that participated in the experience of ‘victim’ can either continue to share spirit world experiences with the others that physically ‘died’ along with them. Some of them may even be part of the same ‘soul family group’ – so, some will decide to continue to work with others in that group while other veer off and do separate work. The same goes for the shooters: there is no division between the groups we here classify as “perpetrators’ and ‘victims’. The shooters are also spirit in various stages of development towards enlightenment. They are even very likely a part of the same ‘soul family group’ as the victims. They can either choose to continue to work through their own learning processes at various stages on various planes of existence, together again as their same pairing (D & E) or with other spirit or as individuals. Eric and Dylan can even choose to become ‘victims’ in future incarnations to gain knowledge and experience from another perspective.

To answer your question though; The ‘victims’ (and ‘shooters’) are where they need to be in relation to their own growth and enlightenment. We like to think they’re all together, perpetually that select group, those ‘victims’ hanging out together in a state of peace within ‘Heaven’. Truth is, while some may have done so as a bit of a reprieve to recover from the intensity of the experience, at some point, each spirit is ready to begin to move on and enter back into the process of growth and spiritual development. Some of the victims have found a state of peace and release through their exchange of forgiveness with the perpetrators while others are still working on that complex lesson. Some of the victims are working together in the spirit world in the same group, other have moved on as individuals and have chosen to experience other incarnations or spiritual planes of existence.

Did Dylan like rammsrein and kmfdm as well? Eric seemed lke he was more into it tho.

Yes, Dylan liked KMFDM and Rammstein but he acquired tastes for the same music as his best bud, Eric. (Dylan had five planets in Libra which provided him with a flexible, harmonious nature – loyally embracing friend’s musical taste as his own.) However, his personal music preferences were far different from Eric’s two favorite bands: the funky electro house beat of the Chemical Brothers, the gloomy, romantic lyrics of Smashing Pumpkins and the dark, nihilistic-industrial flavor of NIN were more his core signature tastes. It’s apparent to me (imo), that Eric didn’t embrace Dylan’s musical tastes at all. Dylan deferred to Eric’s top favs when they worked at Blackjack pizza. The manager recounts that Rammstein was played ad nauseum during their shifts. Both referred to Marilyn Manson as ‘that fag’ but Dylan was a bit of a closet fan as he had a MM poster on the wall in his bedroom.

Do you know where I can find the video of dylan coming out of columbine with his sunglasses on and he smiles at the camera. & where hes outside blackjack pizza talking? & where he’s got something infront of his face.. like a sandwich or something? and he’s wearing his sunglasses and his hat? thanks!!

Dylan walking down the stairs outside CHS

Dylan eating a donut or sandwich (there’s only a photo still of this – no video available)

I was taking a walk not long before he died, and I’d asked him, ‘Come and pick me up if it rains.’ And he did. He was there for you, and he was the best listener I ever met. I realize now that that was because he didn’t want to talk, and he was hiding.

  • Sue Klebold (talking about Dylan)

Assuming Susan filled out the questionnaire, she had a notable way of addressing some of Dylan’s behavior, often crossing out phrases or words that seemed to make him more culpable.

Of Dylan’s suspension at school, she explained: “He and two friends gained access to school’s computer figured out how to find old locker combination.” She then crossed out “gained access” and wrote: He and two friends who had access to school’s computer figured out how to find old locker combination. She said Dylan “opened a locker or two” to see if the combinations were “current,” as if he was only trying to help the school. Dylan himself explained the situation situation as, “Hacking and possessing important documents.”

Susan also noted another suspension Dylan had for scratching a school locker, and when it came to Dylan’s ticket for running a red light, Susan first wrote that he slowed down then kept going “when he thought no one was around.” She then wrote that he had actually come to a full stop before going through the light. Dylan himself said it was “running a red light when no one was around.”

Susan said the van “allegedly had a parking ticket on it and which made the boys think it was abandoned.” She did not quite finish writing the word “parking,” then crossed it out altogether. Eric and Dylan never mentioned any ticket. Nor did any police report.

Jeff Kass.. Referring to the way Dylan’s mom, Susan (via reb-n-vodka-a-beautiful-disaster)

Gotta love how blatantly honest Dyl is. His mom, bless her heart, is beating around the bush, minimizing, and doing the damage control and he’s all like ‘nope, this here sums up exactly what I did’ in one succinct lil’ sentence. Nice contrast. lol

Quirks: The idiosyncrasy of DBK

Signature Shadez

“Jamie Shofner (4,412) would occasionally walk around the school with Dylan. She recalled one day when she was with him and a few of his friends outside of the school at a designated smoking area. Dylan was given a test from an unknown magazine regarding normalcy. The test indicated that Dylan was ‘normal’. Jamie was surprised at the result. She stated she thought Dylan was strange because he always wore his sunglasses. Dylan told her he paid between 200 to 300 dollars for his sunglasses.One day, he was at school and seemed very depressed and he told her it was because he broke his sunglasses.”

She described Klebold’s normal attire as black concert T-shirts and his black trench coat. Klebold once told her he wanted to buy a bright red leather jacket. (lol) Klebold never gave her any indication that he was planning or capable of committing the attack on the school.

Do you think Eric and Dylan cried over the shit that was happening to them a lot? I also saw on a few accounts that they self harmed with knifes

Yes, they cried.  I mean, who doesn’t?  I don’t even know if quantifying the act of crying ‘a lot’ versus ‘a little’ ? is even of consequence.  Like most boys, they resist the tears, act strong and silent, and then wait until they’re alone in their bedrooms where no one can witness the vulnerability they work so hard to conceal.

Sarah Slater said this:  “They just talked. Sometimes these conversations got emotional. “Dylan’d be on the phone with Zack or on the Internet,” says Sarah Slater, “and Zack would tell me they were crying about stuff.” 

Dylan’s mom gave an account of Dylan coming home from middle school crying and falling asleep under a pile of his stuffed animals.  So, here we have an actual account that not only did Dylan cry alone, he also commiserated in his misery with Zach, his true best friend.  I think given the self-loathing, frustrated scrawl within his journal, it’s pretty easy to envision Dylan regularly purging his emotions, ending up in tears late into the night when he should long be asleep and not incessantly ruminating while half-buzzed on a screwdriver. 

We know that Eric has cried. It seems a given that he cried quite a bit (by himself)  when his dog Sparky suffered seizures because I think for him, animals were likely an instant ‘in’ to his emotional vulnerability. And, of course, it was witnessed in a Basement Tape snippet that he shed silent tears down his cheek while filming, simultaneously venting and lamenting, before shutting off the video camera. 

Dylan: “I was Mr. Cutter tonight – I have 11 depressioners on my right hand now, & my favorite contrasting symbol, because it is so true & means so much.”​

Dylan unquestionably self harmed. His autopsy report and wound findings seem to indicate as such.   I’m not so sure about Eric self harming though I know people are convinced of this in their interpretation of his autopsy report.  To me, Eric just didn’t seem like that would be the type of stress relieving outlet he’d resort to.  Overall, it seemed Eric externalized his anger and pain instead of inflicting it upon his own self – i.e. punching holes in walls or blowing off steam by relishing and honing the hate within his journal.   To me, it’s clear that Dylan internalized the pain and rage into personalized sadness and Eric directed it outward, the pain and sadness became anger, directed at others and the world.