Lastly, Dylan looks like such a baby in this last image. He morphs fluidly between man-child at age 17.
Detail shots from the theater vid
Lastly, Dylan looks like such a baby in this last image. He morphs fluidly between man-child at age 17.
Tag: Zack Heckler
Lastly, Dylan looks like such a baby in this last image. He morphs fluidly between man-child at age 17.
Hey there “Goofy”
I think this is what people meant when eyewitnesses often described Dylan as “goofy” or “goofy looking” in the 11K.
I’m speculating that Dylan and Zack are in the sound room near the sound board when Brooks calls out to Dylan (first few photos). He appears to be wearing his duster too. Interesting to note how long, thin, and oblong his face appears in that one shot. Wowza. Fun to glimpse the social, animated side of Dylan and his shared camaraderie with Zack (and Brooks) – being part of this creative, theater friends sans Eric. I do wished he had only hung out with this group. 
Oh, what a day!
“New” never-before-seen Dylan video footage (along with clearer video footage we’ve seen) in an obscure interview with Judy and Brooks Brown (eight months after the tragedy). Below is the edited montage of the Dylan snippets. The full interview is in the link below. Hopefully, with any luck, this reddit embed will play on WordPress. *crosses fingers* (Click the below video 2 times to play).
Judy & Brooks Brown on Geraldo | Dan Abrams (Full Episode Interview.)
Credit: Bill Ockham on Reddit & Youtube
This is heartening.. that yes, we will continue to get released footage..with time and patiences. It will eventually come out of the woodwork with people deciding to come forward and post their VHS video collection footage. And who knows, maybe even the Basement Tapes, eventually? Yeah, I know. That might be pushing our luck. 😉 But wait!, that’s not all: there is another Brown family Oprah interview that was also posted late last evening. That will be up next – plus, the photo screenshots to follow in future posts.
Sidney Jo Keating, Campus Supervisor aka “School Narc” and the Shenanigans of Zack, Brooks, Chris and the rest of the TCM.
“Jester” aka Brandon Martine – Part 1 of 2
On 04/29/99, Northglenn Police Department was contacted regarding lead DN1796. Detective Steve Hipp provided a transcript of the interview with Brandon Martine (bd:12/31/81) of Northglenn High School that lives in Westminster, CO. Martine claimed to know Eric Harris from the Internet. The interview details communications between them and the use of computer games involving school simulations. The interview does not indicate any knowledge on Martine’s part that Eric Harris or his friends were planning to commit crimes or possessed weapons or explosives.
Martine nervously stutters a whole heck of a lot in his awkward q/a conversation with the investigators. The detectives often pressed him and tried to elicit their desired response but Martine never admits to anything out of the ordinary, dangerous or sketchy, in his mostly, online gaming friendship with Eric (well, other than the Duke Nukem school level replication). There are a few interesting tidbits about Eric and Dylan’s friendship as witnessed from Martine’s casual friendship subjective perspective. His vantage point also indicates that Dylan could be quietly elusive to those he was unfamiliar with. The excerpt highlights below have been cleaned-up and edited and sometimes paraphrased to make for easier reading. Part 2 of this interview to follow..
BRANDON MARTINE: “I talked to him (Eric Harris) about uh, his philosophy class, he was in a philosophy class. He said he really liked it and was getting along in it and stuff and uh, I told him I was going to do a philosophy class next year and he really, we went off a little bit about our philosophies and they were similar. He was talking to me about how uh, he liked Aristotle’s stuff and, and how he, he just liked the, the concept of, of talking to each other .”
“Doom II, um, Duke Nukem 3D, uh, Quake and I tried talking about Quake II with him but he said he didn’t get into that ‘cause it was, his computer wasn’t fast enough and stuff. There was one particular one though, it was a Duke Nukem 3D that uh, I remember, he said he replicated it in his school. He created a level personalized to his school and it was the first time that, that he ever personally like gave me a file to play like that and uh, we played against each other, privately, modem to modem, just me and him on it and uh, we played the level. I played him on it.”
“He told me that he liked women a lot, uh, he had problems with girls sometimes and stuff and I had problems with them as well and we always talked it through each other. Uh, one night, I came back from a place called Rock Island and uh, I told him I wasn’t feeling very good and we just were talking and he said, you know, he got dumped down by a girl too and uh, and I did as well and, and, I was talking to him and he said that um, he was helping me through it. He was telling me all this stuff like saying, you know, it’s okay, and stuff and um, I tried tell’, saying the same back to him and told him that I wanted to get together with him, you know, to talk things out and work things with him. I wanted him to come down and uh, he said that he couldn’t, all the times that I talked to him, he always said that he couldn’t ’cause he had, he was really busy and stuff because he worked and he went to school and, and we live pretty far apart from each other.”
“We did talk about jocks though and uh, he, I remember us, getting a little bit mad about it but we didn’t um, he said he played baseball one time and, and I told him I played baseball my freshman year and uh, he, he related something to that but he wasn’t, he never told me that he was like really mad at ’em. He had the same opinion as me, like when uh, you like join a team or something, it’s all favoritism, you know, you get on it and they don’t care about uh, if you get to play or not, it’s all about winning and stuff and we talked about that but that was all.”
“Uh, he did wear pants that had a lot of pockets on ’em, never, I’ve never seen him in a trench coat, um, He always, no, he never wore, I never saw him as a Gothic person, he, he wore a hat always though, I remember him always wearing a hat. The other kid though that hung out with him, um, he seemed a little bit Gothic to me, uh, for some reason. He wasn’t very talkative, he, they, they sounded like they were best friends though and um, he just didn’t seem like the, that’s why I don’t know him as well and didn’t like talking to him because I just didn’t feel that he was a comfortable person.”
“Um, on his website it was black and it had like red stripes and stuff on it. It was mostly related to the game Quake, which was a new, and Doom II, he had uh, stuff on there that you can download. Um, he put my name down on the bottom with some other people that we knew that would put like special things to these people, you know, for creating the page and stuff and he had a private page to it in the back room and you had to enter a password on the bottom and it was something like 4tequila something. I can’t remember exactly because I had it written down and, and he took the site down a while ago, and I never got to see, uh, I never went to it as much ’cause it didn’t have anything that really interests me.”
“On the private section he had Mama jokes I guess you would consider ’em, they we-, uh they were just jokes. He had a big long uh, text tiling on there but I wasn’t interested on reading it a lot of it, he had files you could download. He mentioned something about clan and clans related on the internet are different from like gangs and cliques or whatever. Clans on the internet are a group of people that play the game are teams, and they play a team versus a team, and he wanted me to, actually, we’re on a clan together and uh, we, we had our friends on it as well and we’d play this game and against other people and uh, he then said that the clan would he said that the clan broke down and it went away and he said that now it was just his personal clan with him and Vodka, which was his friend, uh, that he hung out with. I really can’t remember. I just remember before it was like RB [RC – Rebel Clan] or something like that. “*
*this was after Eric ousted Zack Heckler/Kibbz from their threesome clan, Reb-VoDkA-Kibbz
“His friend Vodka, was this tall guy that I think was the picture of his of uh, gunman. Eric was the only person that I knew that hung out with, you know – had a real good best friend or something and that would be considered him. Uh, he came to the net parties with us once in a while, he never, he never really talked a lot to us about like him playing. I never saw him (VoDkA) online a lot, he just hung out with him a lot is what I remember. “
“I never really got to talk to him (Eric) about. I never knew his parents, I called his house and his parents would answer the phone but I asked if he was there and they would just get him for me. I remember him talking about his brother, he said he had an older brother but he really didn’t talk about his family life that much.”
Yoshi Carroll – In Dylan’s Shadow
While videoing the Basement Tapes on March 18, 1999, the boys “then go on to discuss “Yoshi” in a negative fashion”……
Nate Dykeman was asked by the authorities if he knew of an individual by the name of Yoshi. Dykeman explained that Yoshi had to be Yoshi Carroll. Yoshi was a friend of Dykeman’s who came to Littleton from Romania at approximately the same time that Dykeman moved to Colorado in the 8th grade.
Nate describes Yoshi as “a real nice guy who is involved in movies and the drama club. He is also a real smart math wizard” but offers that he does not know of any association between Yoshi with Dylan and Eric. He recalled that “Eric and Dylan would not say anything derogatory about Yoshi in front of himself because they both knew that Nate and Yoshi were friends.” Incidentally, Andrew “Andy” Robinson, who participated heavily in coordinating school plays, who was Rachel Scott’s acting mentor, and who went on to write and direct the 2009 movie ”April Showers” about a look inside a tragedy through the eyes of a survivor, based on the actual events of picking up the pieces in the aftermath of school violence, was Yoshi’s best friend.
Yoshi Carroll
mentioned that Zack Heckler, a friend of Eric and Dylan’s, was in his first-period Psychology class at 7:30 a.m. (this would’ve been around the time that Dylan, Eric, and Nate were finishing up early morning bowling class). Yoshi mentioned that (during this time period of spring ‘99)
he works the sound board in the auditorium at the school for the drama department and that Heckler works the lights, so they work in conjunction with each other.
He mentioned that they had finished work on the latest school play, ‘Smoke in the Room,’ in which Rachel Scott was in the starring role. (See below*)
Zack Heckler stated to him, “Ya know, up until now I really didn’t like you, but now I think you are okay.” After which point, he and Heckler get along very well now. He then advised that he did not notice anything strange about Heckler on April 20th but he could not recall if he was in psychology class with him on that date.
Yoshi had second period free (during which time Dylan was in Calculus class and Eric, Advanced Video Productions) and that he probably wandered the school some, went to the Tech Lab to do some work. He also recalled visiting the library for about an hour studying, during his free period.
Yoshi Carroll had known Dylan Klebold since the 8th grade when he’d newly moved to the area. He had been in Algebra class together with Dylan at Ken Caryl Junior High. He never saw much of Klebold in high school though, until their senior year. Yoshi advised that Klebold was the sound man for the school plays and often worked the soundboard. He said that Zack Heckler had told him that Dylan was no good at the job (though) but loved it. He believes that Zack Heckler told the teacher that Dylan was not very good as a soundboard man and suggested that Yoshi Carroll to take Klebold’s place.
During the previous school year, Klebold, Heckler and another student whom he believed to be Chris Tabaldo, maintained the school’s web server and web page. Yoshi advised that those three students had given themselves access to the web server and had sent e-mail bombs out to other locations and were hacking into the Jefferson County School District computers and that the three had lost their job administering the computers due to the hacking. (Note, this actually would have to have been October ’97 when Zack, Dylan, and Eric had gotten busted for the locker hacking incident and not only had their computer admin jobs revoked but were suspended from school for 3-5 days. Yoshi does not appear to know exactly what happened and only that they lost their computer admin duties for hacking.) At the beginning of the school year, Yoshi’s senior year (’98-99), he went to teacher Mr. Rich Long, who ran the computer programs and asked if you could maintain the system to learn more about computers. He was granted the job by Mr. Long. [Intriguing redacted paragraph…..!?!?!]
Yoshi advised that Zack Heckler has been over his house on numerous occasions since the incident at Columbine High School and that one of his friends, Devon Adams, had been coming to his house often since the incident occurred. He advised that on one occasion she received a telephone call at his residence and began crying after she hung up the phone. [Intriguing redacted paragraph…..?!?!?!?]
Since the incident had occurred, numerous friends had been socializing at his (Yoshi’s) house each day and helping each other out. A few noted socializing at his residence were: Zack Heckler, Devon Adams, Andrew Robinson, Eric Veik, Nick Baumgart and Sarah Bay.
More under the cut
I found it very interesting that Yoshi Carroll paralleled Dylan with a few similar abilities and interests. Like Dylan, Yoshi was a extremely bright at math and Nate described him as ‘a real smart math wizard’. Yoshi my have even been gifted at least in that area. The two had been in the same math class in 8th grade junior high. Also, like Dylan, Yoshi was into movies and participated in the drama club as a behind-the-scenes stage technician. During Yoshi’s senior year of ’98-99, the last months of Dylan’s life, Yoshi mentions he’d cross paths with Dylan the most ever at Columbine since junior high school days. This is likely because they were collaborating on stage tech duties for theater productions.
At some point, Zack declared to Yoshi that he decided he liked and accepted him. It’s possible too, that Eric and Dylan had previously talked smack about Yoshi behind his back to Zack, who was probably, initially biased against the guy. That is until he realized while working with him in theater that he wasn’t so bad after all. We also get the sense from how Yoshi words everything in his account that Zack seemed to think Dylan dominated the soundboard, like he felt it was his domain sitting in the chair in the Sound Room and also that from Zack’s pov, Dylan wasn’t ‘all that’ at it as perhaps he thought he was. Zack, as the long-standing lights production guy, seems to make the arbitrary decision that it’s time to phase Dylan out and to pass on sound production opportunity to his new friend Yoshi.
Zack even went so far as to appeal to a theater teacher, “Mrs C”, in favor of Yoshi assuming what had been Dylan’s responsibilities for a few years. I wonder how well that whole political thing went down and whether it soured things for Dylan participating in theater production as he was being given the messge to phase out of it. I suspect that Dylan did not participate in the theater production in his second semester of senior year which would have been January until his death in April ’99. It’s unclear whether he still assisted or not especially as to whether he assisted on the last production that took place weeks before the massacre ‘Smoke in the Room’. (See below)*
If Dylan (along with Eric) didn’t like Yoshi to begin with, for whatever their reasoning, Yoshi’s eclipsing Dylan in taking over the soundboard role must have made Dylan personally feel resentful of him. It is unclear if Dylan knew that Zack had, behind-the-scenes, personally had been proactive in phasing him out in favor of Yoshi. And this begs the question as to why Zack was being two-faced with Dylan. Why would he do such a thing if Dylan was his close friend? Unless, he didn’t really didn’t feel the same way about Dylan as Dylan did about him. But it is certainly puzzling when you consider that Zack made a point ot initiating late night phone calls with Dylan every night as they played computer games over the internet and chatted. But this wouldn’t be the first time that Zack dissed Dylan behind his back. The other time he dissed Dylan was in his own Jeffco 11K eyewitness account in which he advised the investigator that “Dylan had wanted to go to college and study computer science, but he (Zack) did not think he was smart enough.” See [here] and [here].
It certainly would be interesting to know exactly how Zack felt about Dylan the last few months leading up to the massacre. Perhaps even though he stayed in touch with Dylan, Zack had lost faith in his (former best?) friend because of some of the things he’d observed about him and judged him for: such as Dylan inability to focus and maintain decent grades as he himself was doing, or his propensity for drinking, his cutting classes but also for the fact that Dylan was still associating pretty tightly with Eric ( even after Devon had felt threatened and turned off by Eric). Perhaps the racism and superiority thing rubbed off on Dylan while working theater with Zack as Yoshi was nearby. Of course, after Eric gave Zack the cold shoulder on the heels of the locker hacking incident, Zack had distanced himself from Eric and by extension, Dylan too – so, perhaps more than we know about. Maybe Zack just thought Dylan was a lazy slacker that he felt seemed overly entitled to lording over the soundboard, and so he’d lost faith in Dylan and his honing his abilities and motivation to excel at anything in life. It’s difficult to say. One thing is for sure, it certainly would be the holy grail for the opportunity to interview Zack Heckler! It is just so puzzling how there are two incidents where Zack has thrown Dylan under the bus. And yet, Dylan, according to his writings, he still saw Zack as his best friend ever who had abandoned him…perhaps, all the while, never knowing Zack had very little faith in him, for whatever reasoning.
What’s worse is that Yoshi also saw a opportunity of moving in on that vacant computer administration role at CHS to learn more about computers.The very same position that teacher Rich Long had taken away from Dylan due to computer hacking with Zack and Chris Tabaldo in his junior year. Sue had mentioned in her book that Dylan was utterly sad and despondent about losing this job. Sue had hoped that they would’ve allowed him to keep it while giving him a second chance as he made amends.
There were very few things that Columbine offered Dylan that he found a spark of enjoyment to do. Two of those things that he had been participating in had, with time, been usurped by an eager Yoshi Carroll. Yoshi, the dude that had similar talents to Dylan – hell, they might have been friends if circumstances were different. But instead, Yoshi eclipsed and surpassed Dylan at computer administration and as the sound man so that by the second semester of senior year, there wasn’t any participatory role left for Dylan to do that sparked any sort of personal interest or passion that he would’ve personally wanted to excel at because he got some sort of enjoyment from it. The few things he’d dug were transitioned to Yoshi, his replacement. And incentally, even the screenplays that he, Brooks and Zack were writing and trying to appeal to a local theater to allow them to host, were turned down. It’s as if there was nothing left for him to enjoy and feel accomplished about. This all dovetails with the time period of January ’99 in which Sue mentions in her book that Dylan seemed very low energy and had seemed, in retrospect, to have spiraled deeper into his depression as she noted he was oversleeping a great deal or she discovered him sitting with that 1000 mile stare.
Given all of that, it is not at all surprising that Dylan and Eric bashed Yoshi on their Basement Tapes rants. Although, it’s rather surprising that Yoshi does not appear to be on either boys’ hit list – least not as unredacted (at least not that I have seen anyway) I’m sure the two must have said a lot of nasty, derogative, things about the dude. Dylan, in particular, would’ve had adequate reasoning to blow off quite a bit of steam about that opportunistic Yoshi, the foreigner who probably had a fairly substantial Romanian accent. This weird guy they probably felt didn’t deserve to be in their country just kinda moves in on Dylan’s roles at school.
You can well imagine that he must have had a chip on his shoulder about Yoshi. He and Eric knew that Nate was friends with him, and Dylan surely must have sensed that tipping point when Zack began to warm up/cozy up to Yoshi too (?) Eventually, Dylan wasn’t working sound to Zack’s light anymore as a friendship duo. And after the massacre, Yoshi appeared to have a few key friends of Dylan’s over his house.
Yoshi and Dylan: these two could have easily had been friends with similar interests and abilities yet instead, Yoshi crept up into Dylan’s shadow, eventually eclipsing his only passions at school and the guy probably had no inkling whatsoever that he was infringing on Dylan.
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*Regarding the Smoke in the Room play that Rachel Scott started in just weeks before the massacre on April 2-3, ‘99, it’s unclear as to whether Dylan participated in the light or sound for it. According to Sarah Bay in this post here, Dylan assisted with lights, which was usually always Zack’s job as Dylan’s was sound. However, Yoshi claims that worked sound and Zack his usual lights for this play. Whether Dylan was even involved with this play at all in some manner is unclear now because of this eyewitness discrepancy.
Changes beget Choices
March 1998
An attempt at distancing Eric…
“It took two months for the Diversion program to begin. In the meantime, Tom and I worked together to tighten the reins at home. We created a curfew schedule, limited Dylan’s social activities, took away his computer keyboard, and restricted his driving privileges. We searched his room regularly, and told him he could not spend any free time with Eric. He was expected to spend time with us, and to be cooperative when he did. Work and his participation in plays at the school were constructive influences, and he would continue to be able to do those things.
Dylan did make efforts to extricate himself from the relationship with Eric. My guilt about this, in particular, fills me with despair. After the two boys got into trouble in their junior year, Dylan made an attempt to distance himself, and he asked for my help. We developed an internal shorthand: If Eric called to ask Dylan to do something, he’d say, “Let me ask my mom,” and shake his head at me. I’d say, loudly enough to be heard on the other end of the line, “I’m sorry, but you can’t go out tonight, Dylan. You promised you’d clean your room/do your homework/join us for dinner.”
At the time, I was simply happy that Dylan wanted distance. I had told both my sons they always use me as an excuse in an emergency. I was thinking particularly of drinking and driving, but I meant any unsafe situation. So I was pleased, not only that Dylan had taken me up on my long-standing offer, but that he’d found a way to separate from his friend without hurting Eric’s feelings.
After I saw the dynamic between Eric and Dylan on the Basement Tapes, I found myself revisiting this episode in a new light. If Dylan didn’t want to go out with Zack or Nate or Robyn or any of his other friends, he simply told them so: “Nah, I can’t this weekend. I need to write this paper.” Only with Eric did he need me to bail him out. I never wondered about that or thought to ask Dylan: “Why can’t you just say no?” Asking for my help seemed like a sign of his good judgment, but afterward I realized that it was a portent of something much more disturbing. It was a sign I had missed until it was too late..”
– Sue Klebold
Summer 1997 and 1998
Zack distancing Dylan – Dylan aligning with Eric – Eric distancing Zack
“The Subject stated that during that summer (’97), he (Zack Heckler) had met a girl identified as Devon and that ht two of them spent a lot of time together. The subject stated that he went to Pennsylvania for two weeks during this summer and that during that time, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold had built their first pipe bomb.
The subject stated that this past summer, 1998, Eric Harris really didn’t like him for some unknown reason, but the subject stated that he was still good friends with Dylan Klebold.” – Zack Heckler from the 11k
June 1998
Dylan writes…
me
6-10-98
i think i don’t care
Forever fate, up & down spiral
1.5 human years … so much changed in small time, my
friends (at my choice) are depleting & collapsing under
each other (Eric & redacted (Zack) ) like I thought they would, I am ready to be with [redacted] The ups & downs
of fate are forever, good & bad equal me. ‡
the lost highway, downward spiral never end. existence
is like infinity times itself.
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..the dynamic is solidified; the wheels are set in motion……
What kind of dynamic do you think was in the “three musketeers” group(zack+d&e). Zack and Dylan were obviously much better friends than Eric and Zack and even Eric and Dylan at that time. Do you think Eric ever felt left out or was kind off like the friend third wheel? I wonder what Zack did think of Eric, they did have a fall out in the end and what he thought when his best friend started hanging out with Eric a lot, maybe he was to busy with Devon to really care.
Well, Dylan knew Eric longer though since they’d met in Jr. HS. Zack met Dylan in a class in second semester of Freshman year at Columbine High. Eric would come into that adjoining class to talk to Dylan so Zack also met Eric through Dylan. Dylan really ‘clicked’ with Zack as he came to know him and they spent a lot of time together one on one. As Sue had mentioned in her book, both boys were immersed in a love for technology and the two hit rummage sales near Zack’s house and invented a portable phone out of spare parts (before cellular phones hit the market). You know how it is when you get a new friend that your share so many things in common? You just kinda become immersed in that friendship and you can’t get enough a good thing and want to hang out a whole heck of a lot. I feel that’s how it was for Dylan having found Zack. It’s like after all these many years, he felt like he met his kindred personality who understood who he was the best. So, Dylan was hooked on his new friend and spent a lot of time over Zack’s house going swimming at pool parties, BBQs or going boating and other “zany” (as Sue describes) flux of activities constantly going on over at the Hecklers.
But at the same time, from ‘96 on until October ‘97 the three were what I coined the “Three Musketeers” when they were all hanging out together. I don’t really see it as though any of the three felt left out. The three were a very smart, bored and mischievous bunch of dudes. The trio was like a super power in their alliance together that had the potential to use their intelligence for either great good or bad..or both. lol. Eric’s idea of fun was to sneak out past curfew (yes they had those in Littleton back then) and the three would drive around in the car in Eric’ neighborhood. “Reb” directed which houses they were going to target and throw firecrackers at for whatever reason they’d annoyed him. Eventually, Reb along with his flank of VoDkA and Kibbz escalated the nighttime shenanigans by partaking in other dares and pranks on enemies which became known as their “RMs” or “Rebel Missions”. They’d present rotten eggs at the front door step, super glue locks or TP (toilet paper) wrap trees.
By summer of ‘97, Zack began to work at Blackjack pizza and soon Eric and Dylan followed suit. At this time, Zack then met Devon and eventually his desire to hang out with his two best buds tapered off because he was spending all of his time with his girlfriend. Zack states also that during that summer he’d gone away for two weeks to Pennsylvania and that during the time he was away, Eric and Dylan had taken things to a whole other level of mischief: the two had built their first pipe bomb together. During this time that Zack was head over heels in his new relationship with Devon, Dylan was going through a lot of jealous and mourning for the loss of his best friend. Dylan was in a lot of pain feeling “abandonment” as he wrote in anguish in his journal about it: what a lucky bastard Zack was for having a soul mate – why couldn’t he have the same? So, to fill in the void of his loss, he began to immerse his time even more with Eric and the sort of ‘technologies’ that Eric was more interested in getting up to. Who cares about building a phone from spare parts when you can build weapons of mass destruction?
In October ‘97 of Junior year, the ever clever but bored Three Musketeers put their heads together yet again for some more mischief while at school. They discovered by hacking into the school’s computer system they were able to recover some locker combinations. They tested them out to see if they worked and discovered they did. Dylan then gave the list of combos to Eric (shame, shame!). I believe the two Tech wizards, Dylan and Zack, worked together on the hacking and therefore they got the most days of suspension. After that incident, Zack’s dad put the breaks on him spending time with Eric and Dylan. Things cooled off a bit and Zack and Devon continued to hang out together. Dylan and Zack still hung out together – just not as much as they used to..sometimes he hung out with Zack with Devon. Dylan continued to hang out with Eric on an separate bases from Zack. Eventually over time, by second semester of Junior year, Eric began to shun Zack by giving him the cold shoulder. “The subject stated that this past summer of 1998, Eric Harris didn’t like him for some unknown reason but the subject stated that he was still good friends with Dylan Klebold”. Despite Eric’s falling out with him, Zack continued to call Dylan nightly around 10:30 pm to have their usual discussions about school and the video games they were playing.
The Three Musketeers had come to an end.
Eric was the only one that knew Dylan was capable of doing what he did tho, while his parents, Zack, Nate and everyone else had no idea (and i dont think Dylan himself was sure). Talk about “knowing” Dylan…
Eric thought he was the only one that knew what Dylan was ‘capable of‘ and the reason they both never told anyone what they both were capable of was because it was a secret meant for business partners in crime. What Eric didn’t know about Dylan was that he wasn’t at all planning to do what he was ‘capable of’ with Eric at all, really, and all the way up until January ‘99, when Dylan finally resigned himself to going NBK with Eric for no other options. The fact is, Zack knew what Dylan was capable of, and on a regular basis. But unlike Eric, Zack mostly just entertained their violent fantasies as a way to blow off steam. Dylan’s preferential best friend didn’t take it to the level that Eric was committed to.
Zach wore dark clothes too though, and actually on the night Eric and Dylan were arrested they were hanging out with Zach Heckler in their cars. Zach left earlier, and then Eric and Dylan were bored, and then went on to do the stupid thing that pretty much changed their lives. But Zach was still Eric’s bud by Jan ’98
Yes, Zack would sometimes wear the dark clothing too; he shared in his love of NIN with Dylan and wore the band’s dark nihilistic t-shirts. However, Zack didn’t really participate in the trenchcoat wearing. (By comparison, Nate Dykeman occasionally wore his trench).
According to Columbine: A True Crime Story by Jeff Kass: “On Friday, January 30, Eric, Dylan, and Zach were in a car at a local church listening to music, according to written statements Eric and Dylan later gave police. Around 8:30 p.m. Eric and Dylan left in Eric’s gray Honda Prelude to go home but stopped on a gravel road near a white van and red truck. Dylan says Eric set off some fireworks. Eric says, “We got out of my car and looked around for something to do. We found some beer bottles and we broke those for about 15 minutes.”
Sue Klebold recounts in Far From the Tree:
“ The spring of his junior year, Dylan had asked to spend the night at his friend Zack’s place, and when Zack had to cancel, Dylan took advantage and went driving with Eric. On their way to set off fireworks on a canyon road, they stopped at a parking lot and noticed a van with video equipment in the front seat..”
While Eric may have been still on friendly terms with Zack, by March ‘98, he no longer considered Zack a good enough friend to count on his Diversion Report questionnaire. Only one close friend came easily to the forefront of Eric’s mind and that was 16 year old Dylan Klebold.
Hi :) I asked this question before but I don’t think you ever received it…but the guy with the backwards hat standing next to Dylan in the video, ‘Dylan Klebold in Theatre Class’ at the beginning of the video when Dylan was arranging the sound and Dylan was talking to him…was that Zack Heckler? He looks VERY short. I thought all of Dylan’s friends except Eric were 6ft+. Even Brooks said Nate, Zack, Dylan, himself were all 6ft+ taller than Eric.
The dude standing next to Dylan has a roundish face and is a bit stocky which is very much like Zach’s physical characteristics. Zack was somewhere around 6′1-6′2 in height. Since Dylan at 6′3, is about an inch or so taller than Zack, the only way this could be Zack is if Dylan were standing on some type of platform on either the stage or in the orchestra pit that makes him appear almost a good foot taller than ‘Zack’ but also the other dudes standing nearby.
Heights are:
Brooks Brown was 6’5, Chris Morris was 6’4, Dylan Klebold was 6’3,
Zach Heckler was 6’2, Nate Dykeman was 6’2 …and Eric was 5’8
Can you post the link to the video where Dylan and Brooks are in the theatre
That would be the Frankenstein Roast video. Brooks played Frankenstein’s monster, Dylan did sound and collaborated on FX with Brooks and Zack did lighting for that production which I believe took place fall/winter of ‘98. They video taped their experience making the play which is basically making jokes and insults about the cast and crew participating in a “Roast” style of commentary for their beloved drama teacher, Sue Carruthers. Even Dyl seemed to be fond of “Mrs C.” and made jokes on the Roast about having beers ready and waiting at the after party to which they all knew their sweetheart of a teacher didn’t condone that type of thing. This video clip is mostly silent because the authorities masked out the audio of them chatting since the three mention various people from theatre production to pick on them in a joking fashion. The only part that you can hear that was slapped into this video clip was from a documentary called “The Lost Boys” where you can hear Dylan and Brooks bantering and Dylan jokingly insulting Brooks about how his Frankenstein makeup was a ‘damn good job and he looked uglier than shit’ to which Brooks goes ‘uglier than I usually am”. Then Dylan apologizes profusely. (This is genuine Dylan who is polite and mannerly to a fault who regularly said ‘please’ and ‘thank you’ without thought and also knee-jerk apologized to people like this on a regular bases.) Obviously, the documentary allows us to hear this bit because they want to skew Dylan as that nasty, swearing, insulting killer when the reality of the context is just two old friends having a good time recalling hilarious moments between them from participating in the play.
Can you show us how Zach Heckler looked? (besides his yearbook photo because in his yearbook photo he looks completely different from his class of 99 pic where he’s with brooks, eric, and Dylan with a gun stance? And was he a tall guy and did he wear trench coats?
This question got asked before so I’d posted a montage of Zack photos here
This is Zack circa 2006ish in his mid twenties. I don’t think Zack was particularly tall. I’d say probably 5′11 – 6 ‘ at the most? He’s much more stockier in build than say Dylan (6′3) and Brooks (6′5) who are quite tall by comparison with those long, skinny physiques (see side-by-side comparison below). Despite Zack being best friends with Dylan and a tenuous friend of Eric’s, he did not feel the need to participate in the trench coat look. Of the three boys, he was the ace computer wizard and probably taught Dylan a lot of stuff as well as how to do the sound and light tech stuff in theater. Zack became President of
Aspire Technology Solutions, Inc. in Denver, CO. (I’m spelling it “Zack” unstead of “Zach” because this is how Dylan spelled the short version of his name.)
Dylan playing Soul Calibur with probably Zack and other friends (?) and laughing like a high octave goofball to someone going “Get the fuck out! Get the fuck out!” in Donald Duck speak.
You’ll hear Brooks’ voice, and then Dyl’s, near the end of the clip while you see the visual of Zack with his baseball cap on. That is just the audio bit from the Frankenstein Roast; the documentary over lapses the audio of the Roast over the game playing sequence. It’s slightly confusing..
Of course, Dylan was firming up plans with Eric both nights ‘on the other line’.
Classic Reblog – 16 years ago today.
Are zack heckler and Devon still together now?
Nope. Devon and Zack broke up early 2000s. They both still live in the surrounding Colorado area and both keep in touch as friends though which is nice. 🙂
Is zack married? Is Devon married? I know they aren’t married to each other
Devon has a long-term boyfriend but is not married. I do believe Zack is married and is probably having kids in his early 30s.
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Messages sent from Nathan Dykeman and Zack Heckler on Robyn Anderson’s myspace page that were saved back in 2007 when her profile was public. She used to have that main profile picture of her kissing a horse. I can’t find it anymore.
She is now a teacher and still live in CO.
Dylan (with a ‘V’ crease on the side of his shirt) and Zack talking sound/light production.
thecolumbineblogwithrebandvodka:
I just find this amusing.
Imagines Dylan and Zack being naughty in French class..
Eric would never be caught being openly disrespectful or rude in class, and especially to a teacher, for the both of them to get kicked out or suspended. In Dylan’s mind, Zack was his best friend and understood him best. The prankishness is apparent.
Pardon His French.
She said Dylan would get very angry in class with the teacher (Kathy Lutz) and the other students, and would start throwing things around. Sara said she got frustrated by these distracting actions of Dylan Klebold, and his inability to get along with others. She said another student by the name of Zach Heckler was in this class and caused similar problems as Dylan Klebold. She said Dylan Klebold and Zach Heckler were suspended, and since being suspended from the class, Zach Heckler changed the way he acted according to Sara. She described Zach as being “very nice” and she did not see him wear a trench coat.
Hmm, I wonder if Dylan switched to German at this point..
The Everlasting Contrast 