Did Eric know that Dylan was depressed?

No, I don’t think so. What I mean by that is I don’t think Eric observed his friend and reflected observantly with a ‘hm..Dylan seems kinda sad and maybe he’s depressed’. I tend to think Eric understood that Dylan was radiating bottled up angry from what leaked out of him and that he needed to be reminded of that fact so he would express his anger and hate more often and regularly as he himself had been partaking in. This was Eric’s remedy to make himself feel better and more empowered and so why wouldn’t it do the same for Dylan? For Eric, admitting or giving the impression of being sad and depressed would be like appearing in weak, emo state of being. Why wallow in passivity when you can be full of hate and loving it ? He’d make his best friend feel a shitton better by way of pumping him up to express his oppression and rage, taking his power back as just as the REB had discovered was the best anecdote to feeling like crap. So, essentially I think Eric viewed Dylan as far more mad than he ever was sad.

Whenever I listen to “beautiful” by the smashing pumpkins I think about Dylan. A lot of mixed feelings because although I feel I can relate to him in many ways and maybe begin to understand what went wrong but at the same time it’s really difficult to see why they’d do such a thing. It makes me sad thinking about what they could’ve been had they not gone through with that plan, what all those people could’ve been. It makes me sad that they ruined so many lives, including their own.

The entire evolution of your thoughts is the kind of cognitive dissonance feedback loop many of us go through especially on a daily basis now with the release of Sue’s book. There’s so much mixed, conflicting emotions yet at the dismal end to which your thoughts have led you, the decision is that we tend to come to the same conclusion; that we still care, despite the grave, permanent mistake he’d chosen to take in an act of violence which radiated the expression of his personal pain . That somewhere at the end of our grappling and processing of emotions, we ultimately choose love and compassion over fear and hate. Understanding the tragedy of his past is the key to saving others like him in the future.

It is and never well be a clear cut answer in how to feel about him: as he was beautiful (..as the sun) for who he once was and all that he could have become but then made ugly int the last hour of his life for what he’d done.

Brooks Brown also said in an interview that it was Dylan filming. The Inside Columbine video was filmed on two different days so it’s at least *possible* it was Dylan on the day they were shoved by the jocks.

Brooks Brown is incorrect and that’s most likely the source that Larkin used for his book.  If you watch the video you can clearly see from the very start of the clip that the boy filming behind Eric and Mike V is essentially the same height as them and so the camera pov is level with two as they’re walking down the hallway in a group. You’ll then see the jocks appear and shove the cameraman at :20.

That said, Brooks is not the most reliable source. His timeline was completely off in his book as to when he and Eric had their falling out. He’s also stated he tends to believe that Eric shot Dylan.

So.. yeah. Not everything he says is accurate. Plus, Brooks is not in the video above so how would he even know? Brooks watched it and extrapolated that it must be Dylan with Eric when in fact it’s not. Dylan was not into following dudes around with the camera.  Veik had a thing for filming/observing everyone safely behind the lense and most especially focused on Eric. ahem.

Did Dylan take anything for his depression

Dylan wasn’t on any prescribed SSRI anti-depressive medication.  On the autopsy report, the results came back with no drugs present in his system either. However, he did medicate in secret with the natural, herbal mild anti-depressive known as St. John’s Wort.  Per the book ‘A Mother’s Reckoning’, his mom not only had no clue that he was depressed but also that he was trying to muster his usual self reliant attitude attempting to fix his low mood and motivation all on his own. In the book, Sue describes spending time in Dylan’s bathroom upon his death and after bothering to take a peek inside his medicine cabinet, she discovered a half used bottle of St. John’s Wort. The authorities also found another half used bottlewhich they confiscated when they tore his room up on 4/20 and they also found another bottle in his BMW.   Based on the number of bottles he had with him at home and on the go, I’d say he was popping them a few times per day hoping for the best. St. John’s Wort works best for mild forms of depression. 

I had a question about the “inside columbine” video, is Dylan really filming the video? I always thought since you saw him for a few seconds at the end someone else was filming? I’ve heard on numerous occasions that it was actually Dylan?

No, that’s not Dylan doing the filming in the ‘Eric in Columbine’ video.  That was Eric Veik that did all of their filming as Eric and Mike V. are walking down the halls and also sitting/chatting in the Commons. It was Veik that gets himself and his camera shoved aside as the jocks brush past Eric and Mike V.   However, at the very end of the video as Eric and Mike V. say goodbye to Brandi, and are walking into a classroom, you’ll see Dylan sauntering over to them af the very end of the clip.

Which brings to mind that Sue was misinformed by Ralph Larkin’s book ‘Comprehending Columbine’ as she regurgitates Larkin’s incorrect information that it was her son filming that scene and getting roughed up by the jocks with the camcorder.  No Sue, sorry, that was Eric Veik. See video here

I don’t even know how Larkin can think that was Dylan as the dude filming is rather short in stature. lol  I rolled my eyes and *SIGHED* when I read that bit and wondered if Sue herself had even watched the video on her own to determine it, in fact, it was Dylan getting shoved or not.   I would sooo love to set the record straight for her on some of the blatant misinformation she’s gotten from some of the author experts while collecting research for her book.  Larkin’s book has a lot of errors in it so taking his verbal or written word that it was Dylan being shoved while filming just to drive the point about the bullying culture in Columbine is just incorrect in this particular instance.  It’s like grasping at straws using someone’s poor research. 

p.s. Of all the Columbine books out there, and there are not to many, Comprehending Columbine is not a very accurate read.

If Dylan and Nate were so close then why did Nate sell the video of him and Dylan in the car to the media?

Simply put, Nate pretty much left Columbine right after the massacre and went to Florida.  His plan was to go to college and work for Microsoft. Only problem is he needed help paying for college and he saw nothing wrong with selling the Morning Ritual tape he’d made with Dylan (which they’d made to show his real dad in Florida what ‘A Day in a Life’ was like at High School for them)  to pay for his tuition. No hard feelings Dylan, but hey after all, look what Dylan did to him?  😉  I would imagine the only thought in his teenage brain was that he was pretty much kicked out of HS and it was like ‘how can I make some money fast to pay for college?’  Nate coped by cutting his ties with Colorado, got out of dodge and moved to Florida with the hopes of trying to move on with his future, as shredded up as it presently was by Columbine.  Others saw it as blood money, he did not.  And I do not think he sold the tapes out of spite to Dylan, in all honesty. He was just doing what he needed to to get by.  Probably even figured Dylan wouldn’t give a shit. Not that he should have a say in the matter anyway.. Still, Nate remembers all the good times he had with his friend Dylan, it’s hard to somehow forget all of those good times.  Nate has apparently been very cooperative with Sue since he cannot quite forget his good friend Dylan and all the sleep over fun they had at the Klebolds as mentioned in the book. He is probably just as boggled and unreconciled today as to the bomb Dylan dropped on them all.

Nathan was paid $16,000 by ABC for an innocuous videotape he and Dylan Klebold had made. He also said an ABC producer called their home and offered them money for an appearance, and suggested they might make “$2 (million) or $3 million” from a book deal later on.

Good said they weren’t interested.

He said the media’s luck changed after Nathan left his Colorado home. Reached at his father’s home in Florida, Nathan tells a different story.

“I was broke. I had to leave my truck in Oklahoma where it broke down,” he said. “Now my college tuition is paid for. I’ve been criticized enough for this. What was it I did wrong? I know at least a dozen people who were offered money from the media.”

Nathan says he wasn’t paid for an interview, but for the videotape that Klebold and he made of a trip to school.

He did enter into an agreement with the National Enquirer, which he now says distorted, mischaracterized and misquoted what he said. [Source]

I thought Zach was angry with Dylan,even to this day. That could explain the lack of communication between him and Sue

Well, I think many of Dylan’s friends were angry at him at some point or another and probably still are at certain times or another in their lives when they think about him, how they felt betrayed by him and what he’d done to others and himself.  The Stages of Grief is a process that no two people experience alike nor is it a linear process as one can cycle back in forth between anger, depression, acceptance, denial at various points in their life.  We can’t really say that Zack has been / is angry with Dylan anymore than we could say that Nate, Devon, and Robyn have been any less.  I’m sure they’ve all been there with the anger and sadness.  But the point here is that Sue reached out to Dylan’s friends so that she could gain some insights on her son in order to write this book. And it would appear that they were willing to help her because Sue alludes in her book that some of his friends stayed in touch with her, especially Nate.  So, this means that Dylan’s friends would have had to have been big enough adults to put their personal feelings aside in order to be honest and forthright with Sue about their individual experiences in their friendships with Dylan in the vested interest of the sort of enlightenment and help this book has the potential to bring to people in similar situations.

  Certainly, this means that Zack should have not only been able to divulge that he and Dylan spent many nights playing video games together but also chatted on the phone too. But she should already know that they were in touch in the evening though because I’m sure there were occasions when Dylan didn’t answer the phone when Zack called and Sue or Tom would pick up and then would let their son know her friend was calling.  But what Sue might not know is that after she’d long gone to sleep, late into the night, Zack and Dylan’s conversation went on well into the early morning hours  and that sometimes the two shared close personal stuff, their shared hate about the school culture and the fact that the two were both mutually depressed and probably, I would imagine, talked about suicidal thoughts. It’s more than likely too that Zack and Dylan fantasized about homicidal thoughts and the sprees they thought of going on at the school as an emotional catharsis to their pain and frustration.  Even Zack’s sister, Jocelyn Heckler, mentioned in the 11K that the two were into Nihilistic philosophies. After Columbine, both Nate and Zack were suspect to the authorities so much that they had their bedrooms searched and  Zack’s computer was taken and dissected in order to determine how involved he might’ve been. The two even underwent Lie Detector tests  Given that fact, I’m sure Zack might be reticent to being too forthcoming in regards to Sue’s book because he wouldn’t want to re-point any attention to himself as being seen as some sort of accomplice to Dylan’s downward spiral.  On the other hand, he was a very good friend of Dylan’s and he appeared to be depressed just like Dylan and the two were confidants talking intimately on the phone about their problems and enough to shed tears over their conversations.  For that very fact alone, this is VITAL information to be forthcoming with as a friend to poor Mrs. Klebold if no longer to Dylan.   If Zack talked with Sue, it is a major withholding of information that he did not come clean and say ‘yeah, Dylan and I used to talk a lot at night when you guys were off to bed so you wouldn’t necessarily know that we talked a whole lot about how we hated the school and how miserable we were. From things Dylan told me, I knew he must have been depressed but I didn’t mention this for years because I promised him I wouldn’t say anything.” So if this was the case (which I’m pretty sure that it was based on what Sarah Slater mentioned), Zack’s honest account of the close, personal details of his friendship with Dylan is extremely relevant information for Sue to know about in order to better understand her son and his actions while completing her book.. If Zack refrained from telling her any of this, petty anger aside, it’s pretty dishonest to his old (ex) best friend’s mother. He needs to consider how his friendship experiences with Dylan could potentially give Sue a better perspective, ease her mind even, and also help have a hand to aid this book’s audience in identifying signs of trouble in kids similar to himself and Dylan.

Is there any information I can read about sarah slater? 11k? Where would it be?

The only thing they maintained was their late-night phone call. It was a ritual. 10:30 at night. Hour, hour and a half. They just talked. Sometimes these conversations got emotional.“Dylan’d be on the phone with Zack or on the Internet,” says Sarah Slater, “and Zack would tell me they were crying about stuff.” 

A-hem. Oooooh, Sue….    I have the urge to call her about now. 😉 

Sarah Slater links:
[Excerpt from here]   [11K Account]   [He was in a lot of pain]

Do you know where it mentions people describing what kind of person they viewed dylan as in the 11k ?I remember reading somewhere but I can’t find the correct page bc theres so many (and there not catagorized ) ):

Hmm. The only thing that comes to mind off hand would be the JCSO Columbine Documents Organized by Theme compiled by Peter Langman.
Is this what you might be looking for?  It’s the closest thing I can think of where the ginormous 11K is condensed into snippets of what people thought of Dylan (and also Eric) organized by various themes.

New video interview with Sue in her own community via the Denver Post.  Poor woman is super nervous since the interviewer maintains a serious poker face and is damn near accusatory in tone .  As per usual, Sue truthfully continues to answer all questions asked in her usual earnest, classy manner.

One thing I wonder about having finally finished the book just the other day,  Sue states in this article/video as well as her book: 

“Dylan’s depression was not recognized by anyone who knew him or loved him,” she said. “Certainly not his family or his friends. The difficult challenge here is that behaviors that might be indicative of mental illness or brain disorder very often are very much like normal adolescent behaviors.”

I question this statement because why did Zack not seem to know about Dylan’s struggles and depression?  Dylan and Zack spoke regularly each night on the phone while playing video games together.  Sarah Slater mentioned the two had heart-to-hearts and would sometimes cry in their personal commiserating discussions.   It would seem that Zack must be reticent to come clean as far as volunteering input for Sue’s book. I would imagine that Zack knows a whole lot more than he will ever divulge since it’d be likely incriminating. From Sue’s own viewpoint, she saw Nate as the friend that was most often at their house. She has a lot of memories of the two so therefore, sees Nate as a very close friend of Dylan’s. Far closer than Eric or Zack even. Personal perception is a funny thing, ain’t it?  Also, Nate apparently helped refresh Sue’s memory about his time spent with Dylan for her book.   Yet, even though Zack was over Dylan’s house less, he still talked on the phone regularly with Dylan.  I tend to think Sue has no idea just how much this one particular friend knew a great deal about Dylan’s misery and depression.

   Denver post article and video

Did Dylan realized in time he would have found love? He never will now that he’s ended his life.

He did, yeah. By the first half of ‘99, Dylan had begun to make a transition of thought in his weariness. (And it’s evident in Sue’s book too just how weary he was starting to look that January.) He comes to the conclusion that Fate would decide when his true love would be known to him – that his perceived other half and he came here unknowing of each other born here on the earth and that it made sense, it was fine too, that they would both leave unknowing of each other in this life time. The chance seemed to feel so remotely slim to him that he’d have His Love while living in this existence. He resigned to the idea that love would be revealed for him once he left this place and floated away to the Halcyons. Dylan couldn’t stand being here much longer and waiting for love felt an unproductive torment. He didn’t see that if he stayed longer it might happen; he stopped believing in that. The abrupt shift in thinking, his change of plans was essentially: leave here and then Fate will find him true love.

Do you think Eric would have liked The Walking Dead? I men’s it’s al about survival and instincts.

Both Eric and Dylan would have looooooooooooved TWD, tbqh. Survival of the fittest post apocalyptic world, zombie kills (for Dyl) and guns, guns, guns – oh, my! They’d be big time, avid fans for sure. Also, too, I think the shows ability to examine the human moral compass as well as interpersonal relationships dynamics between people learning to get along and survive together would actually been a very good thing for them to observe and reflect on. The show has got a lot of action, blood, guts and gore which they would’ve been stoked over but it’s also has the human element that is thought provoking and self reflective. Instincts versus smarts. Leadership versus followers. Great concepts.