just wondering if you got rising scorpio, virgo sun and moon in aquarius for dylan’s natal chart too? but rather than 9:11 am, I put the birth time as 12 noon

I just added to that post that Sue mentioned in her book that he was born early morning which I mentioned could mean anything from after midnight in the a.m. hours to dawn or yes, 9:11 a.m!

I do feel that 9:11 a.m. suits him rather well with Virgo Sun, Libra Rising (plus 5 planets in Libra including Venus. The dude was chock full of air with that abundant mental energy and a mind that is constantly thinking non-stop) and an Aquarius Moon (air overload!) and Mars in Leo. Dylan was gravely lacking water in his chart hence his tendency to internally think away his feelings rather than identify, process and effectively express his emotions within himself as well as communicate them to others. He bottled things up A lot. So, to me the 9:11 am placement works better than noon.

Do you know what time dylan was born? :)

According to the internet sources, Dylan was born
9:11 a.m. on 9/11/81. Coincidentally interesting, huh?
Please note, this has not been an officially confirmed time of birth based of his birth certificate so this has not been verified as the legit. There’s a good chance that it’s not – although, from an astrological standpoint, his chart seems pretty spot-on using this time. So then again, it might be. No way to know until it’s been validated from official docs.

The only thing Sue offers in her book is that he was born “early morning” which is a bit nebulous since early morning could mean anywhere from after midnight in the middle of the ‘night’ a.m hours to dawn or nine in the morning.

could you reblog or send me a link to that music playlist the last anon was talking about?

The anon mentioned that they created their own playlist based off of the Dylan music posts scattered throughout this blog. You can start here as I have a few links to some of the previous music posts included on it. I may make a Spotify playlist to post here with a compilation of all of Dyl’s music that’s been showcased on E-C as well as carve out a section on the FAQ for his music tastes.

I just wanted to say thank you! I love your music posts you did, (ceiba, prana, etc) I downloaded all the songs and now have a whole new huge playlist! It’s neat to listen to music he used to listen to and damn does that boy have (had) a good taste in music! Thanks again for posting!

Yep, the boy had great personal musical tastes that were specifically his thing. You can tell in having made a playlist and while listening to all of the music as a whole, that Dylan was drawn to certain flavors of music which defined his personality. He was attracted to certain strong beats and almost mathematical-like repetitive rhythms – sometimes hypnotic and trance-y. It’s good to be able to listen to his individual preferences which, contrary to popular believe, was not solely his shared mutual appreciation of Eric’s preferences in German industrial flavors of KMFDM or Rammstein.

I enjoy pulling Dylan tunes and showcasing them because we can hear-experience a distinction in personality that is separate from his partner in crime. I’m glad you’ve enjoyed the musical posts too. Thanks for stopping by and letting me know that! 🙂 When I listen to ‘My Discovery’, a weekly playlist that serves up new and/or old-new tunes on Spotify based on musical genre preferences I’ve listened to most often, occasionally I’ll hear something that catches my ear and I immediately think “OMG, this is sooo Dyl; he’d like that one without a doubt!” 🙂

In your opinion, if Dylan had found a mutually loving relationship that was healthy, do you feel he would still have broached the subject of NBK with her or multual suicide? Or, would this turn of events helped to bring him out of that desire to die and/or kill?

Dylan’d be “NBK ..huh, what’s that ?  Oh, yeah..that.”  

*big grin, runs fingers through his hair*

“Hey, um, want to go see the Chemical Brothers at Red Rocks next weekend?”

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do-it-for-the-thrill-of-the-rush:

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‘Upper right quadrant’ marks the spot

I wonder how he got this.

Dylan was 5’3 at age 16? And 6’4 at age 17? Pretty big growth spurt damn.

I believe that would be 6’3 in Dylan font. 😉

Also, thanks to kettlewhistle for mentioning the appendicitis referenced in Dylan’s Diversion File. Sue offers that Dylan went to the emergency care in Fall ‘97: “Stomach pain – thought to be an appendicitis but wasn’t.” I guess to expand on my vague question: Did this scar actually originate from a mere attempt at a diagnosis? Isn’t surgery a bit extreme? Wouldn’t they run tests first before operating to determine the condition? Sue does not mention surgery, just that it was ruled out as not an appendicitis. The autopsy report indicates the scar present is located on the “right upper quadrant” of the abdomen yet Appendicitis’ tend to originate in the lower quadrant of the abdomen and the surgery performed is within that localized region. So, hmm.. I wonder how much stomach issues Dylan had with the stressful conditions at school? This scar may have been a misdiagnosed symptom of anxiety ridden stomach pains. Interesting that he might’ve gone under the knife only for them to determine that he did not have a medical condition – that it might have turned out to be psychologically stress-induced stomach issues. It will be interesting to see if Sue mentions this in more detail in her memoir. Probably something like this that seemed insignificant to her at the time may have turned into tiny red flags in retrospect. There is a good possibility that Dylan may have had a lot of stomach ailments due to anxiety issues. Fall of ‘97 was a tough time for him according to his journals. October specifically, he got suspended for 5 days for hacking locker combinations with Zack and Eric. Jan 30th, he was caught stealing from the van with Eric followed by getting caught for scratching the locker next to his. Add in two traffic tickets and then on into March when the Diversion File was produced and his inception into the year-long program. Add to that, Dylan lost a signifcant amount of weight in ‘98. The result of that ‘upper right quandrant’ scar may have been from ongoing stomach issues after the shame and fallout from the January Incident.

“I’ve had thousands of dreams about Dylan where I’m talking to him and trying to get him to tell me how he feels. I dreamed that I was getting him ready for bed, and I lifted up his shirt, and he was covered with cuts. And he was in all this pain, and I didn’t see it; it was hidden.”

– Sue Klebold, Far From The Tree

Classic Reblogging this one since it coincides with Sue’s account in AMR, Chapter 13 “Pathway to Suicide”

She mentioned Dylan needing emergemcy surgery as a baby for a stomach problem. Maybe this is what the scar is from?!

Even  though babies usually heal pretty flawlessly that’s entirely possible including the location of it.  It’d be nice to know the approximate size of the scar. 

Why was Love so incredibly important for Dylan? What did it mean to him ? Would it have changed him?

Love meant validation, fulfillment,  completion and connection for him.  
To have love and to be loved meant Dylan would achieve a perfect equalizing balance that he felt he was incomplete and lacking within himself.
Love for Libra intensive Dylan meant a restored state of balance, harmony and perfect happiness

Validation:
 to feel unconditionally accepted and desired in return as much as he desired and yearned

Fulfillment:
 to feel satisfied, sufficient and not in a state of needing

Completion:
 to feel whole and perfectly adequate,that lonely piece of himself united with his other half together .

Connection:
 to feel integrated, happy and part of a communion between himself and his love within the totality of the universe

Finding someone to love Dylan wouldn’t have been the end all-be all catalyst to change him.  He sought love outside himself to heal the absence of love within himself.  The only way for love to have changed Dylan was for him to come to terms with beginning to loving himself first. It’s possible that if the right sort of mature, wise and open girlfriend came along, in addition to therapy too, he could’ve begun to take the baby steps to begin to not be so hard on himself, to love himself as he was.   But having a relationship with someone who could love him?  It’d only be a start..but not a guarantee cure-all of change for Dylan. 

but in the morning ritual video, dylan is wearing a yellow shirt. you can see that it’s him when they’re walking through one of the aisles. but then once they’re in the parking lot, someone with a yellow shirt is also wearing shorts. i’m pretty sure it’s him.

Dude is waaaaaay too short (with short legs) to be Dylan.  Psst! The tall, gangly dude behind him is Dylan.  Don’t you guys know your dudes’ physiques?  😉   I’d say the short guy with the yellow shirt in front of Dyl is Eric because of those long arse shorts, blinding white socks and black shoes combo. lol  The look checks out as a Harris favorite aesthetic – however, that said – given that the shirt is not tucked in means it might not be a Rebby. Unless he was sloppy occasionally with the patented Shirt Tuck maneuver. Eh, but probably not…

Explained before here

What do you think of Peter Langman’s analysis/diagnoses on Eric?

‘The budding psychopath and rapist’ and taken at face value from his journal-manifesto.  If you watched the 20/20 interview, you see essentially how he diagnosis both. Far too simplistic that even a non expert with absolutely no psych credentials could jump to those conclusions based off his writings. Because it’s what Eric wanted people to believe. Langman doesn’t look deeply and carefully. He knee jerk diagnoses.  I noticed too, when he can’t figure a shooter out, he pigeonholes them by using schizotypal personality disorder as a default for that unclear cut diagnosis.

Have to disagree on Dylan not having magical thinking. It seems clear he would fit into the clinical term of the phrase. The beginning of the journal starts with the idea of ignorance is bliss, and that Dylan is ultra aware and above the “zombies”. This continues through out, including a lot of the abstract passages about existence,having a greater understanding of the everything, Dylan also talks a lot about the interconnectedness of everything, the everlasting contrast, all symbols in journal

In case it wasn’t too clear as to what I mentioned in the other post, I wasn’t suggesting that Dylan didn’t implement Magical Thinking, on the contrary, yes he did, very much so.  However, my distinction here in contrast to Langman is that Dylan was not mentally deteriorating to the point of losing it or becoming out-of-touch with reality while applying Magical Thinking. He was fully cognizant and able to make the distinction between actual reality and his fantasy world which he generated for himself in the midst of his depression and despair.

By the way, Magical Thinking is implemented by the entire world on a regular bases through various religious and spiritual belief systems, faith and practices.  Someone who believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and personal savior along with the firm belief that they will ascend to Heaven if they abide by their religious tenets and ‘have faith’ in Jesus does not make them delusional, mentally unstable and unable to distinguish this reality. No one has ever looked at the abundant religious Magical Thinking applied liberally in Rachel Scott’s journal and said she was mentally deteriorating, fragmented and delusional. Religious faith is simply accepted as a ‘normal’ belief system that is motivational to people on a daily basis and gives them an inspirational sense of what they will have to look forward to upon their own demise to meet their maker. Just because Dylan had his own personally formed, unique ideas of what the afterlife would be like and that, once there, he would find completion in a True Love meant for him, does not mean he is mentally losing it and unable to distinguish reality from these fantasy concepts he’s constructed.  It is a romantic fantasy spun to make things seem more hopeful when he was too shy and obtaining a girlfriend seemed too daunting for him to manage.  He was still fully functional in the world, going to school, holding a job and associating with friends. He wrote his thoughts and feeling and fantasies in his journal. And who doesn’t have a dash of fantasy scenarios in their own journals?  He wrote out his feelings and philosophical concepts and belief systems and a part of him knew it was just a good fantasy he was telling himself but the other part of him needed to believe, to have faith in his fantasy tale ideation so that he could sustain himself though his depression and pain.

I do not agree with Langman post-mortem diagnosis of Schizotypal Personality Disorder. The characteristics of this disorder can be found here.
I touch upon why I eye roll the corresponding symptoms for this disorder in regards to Dylan in this post  To me, it’s unfortunate if Peter Langman is telling Sue that’s what her son had. But, oh well..

If anything, Dylan’s writing style, to me, seems more like that of a budding philosopher that has pondered about the meaning of life and how he intuits how everything all (should) work (from his PoV) which then becomes his free flow jotted down spiritual concepts and personal faith that bolsters himself up to make it through another day.  See this series of posts 

A Teenage Philosophy of Awareness and Existence: Analysis of the Columbine Shooters’

‘I’ll Never Know If I Could Have Prevented It,’ Says Mother Of Columbine Shooter

heartnegotiations:

As a culture, especially since the advent of modern media and the internet, we seem to have a deep need to vilify things we do not understand and disparage those we deem to be to be evil. But if you believe in either basic human goodness or simply the idea what humans are complicated beings, the “easy” way of viewing tragedy is not always the right way. That isn’t to say that Columbine wasn’t an act of evil. I remember how terrifying and tragic it was. But, I believe in an all encompassing, no conditions sort of love. The kind of love that changes people, changes lives. The kind of love that is available to both victim and perpetrator. It may not be a popular brand of love, but I believe it is an extraordinarily beautiful and life transforming kind of love. 

That doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences for peoples actions or that we can ever really make sense out of atrocities, but it does mean that empathy and love are worth fighting for. Showing compassion for the victim is easy. It is much more difficult to show love and forgiveness towards the people who did the damage. 

When you think of Dylan do you see a broken boy or a monster? When you look at his mother do you see a grieving woman or the person who created the monster. It’s complicated and difficult to see them as human beings very much like you, but if you’ve ever been on the other side of vilification, if you’ve ever felt misunderstood, if you’ve ever made mistakes for which you are hated, you might find your heart breaks for them all. 

I think this will be a very interesting and insightful book. I expect there to be backlash, but I look forward to reading it.

Another great audio interview with excellent questions. 🙂

‘I’ll Never Know If I Could Have Prevented It,’ Says Mother Of Columbine Shooter

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Dylan As A Friend

“I was taking a walk not long before he died, and I’d asked him, ‘Come and pick me up if it rains.’ And he did. He was there for you, and he was the best listener I ever met.” – Far From the Tree

“We were T-boned while crossing an intersection, and Dylan stopped his car and ran up to my window and was just like, ‘Are you OK? Are you OK?’ and he was freaking out, and I just told him to go get my parents and tell them to come up here and get me.” – Columbine: A True Crime Story

“When [Devon’s] feelings were hurt or when she had conflicts with others, it was Dylan she turned to for support. ‘I would call Dylan on the phone or talk to him on the computer. It was the best therapy I could hope for.’” – A Mother’s Reckoning

“Mid-February, Dylan came downstairs dressed to go to work,
though he wasn’t scheduled. Eric’s dog Sparky was seriously ill, so
Dylan had picked up Eric’s shift at Blackjack. […] As he left the
house, I gave Dylan a hug and told him how proud I was that he was such a
responsible employee and a good friend.” – A Mother’s Reckoning

“He was there for you.” Loyal af. ❤️