He did duck, yes, but if you watch, he really didn’t need to in that particular instance. I get the feeling he did so out of habit with that height of his. haha
I wonder if Eric realized he was conventionally attractive. Maybe he wasn’t as self aware as he thought in many regards.
It’d have taken genuine self awareness for him to have realized he’s not as self aware as he’d imagined himself to be at his age. He was incapable of seeing beyond his own insecurities to even perceive that other people, perhaps, might have appreciated his physical appearance beyond his own self image pov.
It seems kinda clear you do have sort of a soft spot for ole Eric :)
Oh does it now… Oh dear. 😬 I really must work on that. 🤐
I seriously love you. You answer your questions so thoroughly and kindly, even if the question does have a different view then what you do. You’re so awesome.
Aww, why thank you. 🙏🏻 I try, anyway..though, I’m afraid you’re too kind in that you find me ‘kindly’. You see, no one can see when I’m losing it on this end. haha. 😁 😂 😎 Nonetheless, you’re awesome yourself for stopping by and taking the time to say such lovely things. 👍🏻💞
“Rachel and Dylan knew each other. They were in a play together that ran just weeks before the shooting. She was an actress, he was a light guy. I can only assume that Dylan knew as much about Rachel’s faith as I did, which was not much, if anything.” – Sarah Bay
About a month ago, an anon asked whether Dylan worked on Rachel’s play ‘The Smoke in the Room’ and my original response was no, and it is correct in the sense that Dylan was no longer working sound design for theater production during the last quarter of Senior year according to his class schedule, see post here. However, this new development, according to Sarah, is that Dylan was the ‘light guy’ for ‘The Smoke in the Room’ which played on April 2 – 3, 1999 only. Sarah is a Columbine survivor that has been posting on the Facebook boycott page against the airing of the ‘I’m not Ashamed’ movie production. Sarah would definitely have a good idea if Dylan worked lights (instead of his usual position working sound) since she was both a part of theater and debate class. She worked with Devon Adams who also stared in this production; she also knew Brooks Brown, and of course Rachel, having worked with both in theater as well as debate. What is interesting about this is that Dylan some how helped them out with the lighting. Zack Heckler was typically the light guy, though. I ponder if maybe Zack was unable to volunteer helping them with this production so Dylan was asked to help with the lighting as an extra curricular activity in part due to his past, extensive stage crew experience.. Surely, Zack trained Dylan to also work the lighting from time to time or as an extra pair of hands so Dylan knew both sound as a primary and lighting as a backup gig. It’s kind of eerily ironic to look at the spotlight on the above photos of Rachel, following her every movement, knowing that Dylan Klebold was very likely the one holding the spotlight for her during this two day long play, a mere 16-17 days before the massacre.
As I mentioned above, Sarah, posted this information recently in favor of the boycott against the Scott family’s account of Rachel Scott’s life and death which is being portrayed intentionally inaccurate with their hope of further pushing ‘faith’ in conjunction to Rachel’s death and the christian agenda. Supporters of this boycott are Brooks’ dad, Randy Brown, Richard Castaldo and Devon Adams – among many other Columbine survivors.
If you’d like to read Sarah’s entire post (and a few others) click the cut.
Today, I’d like to touch on a lie that has been told since 1999 about Rachel. I doubt this post will go over well in some circles, but please remember I have nothing to lose by posting this.
Some have stated that Rachel died BECAUSE of her faith. That she stood up to them, professed her love of God and/or Jesus, and died because of it.
The truth is Eric and Dylan wanted us all dead.
By all accounts, had the bombs they built actually gone off, more than 1000 students, teachers, and faculty would have died. They planned this during lunch, so that they would impact a huge portion of the school. Since the bombs didn’t go off, as intended, they were forced to enter the school. Rachel just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Rachel and Dylan knew each other. They were in a play together that ran just weeks before the shooting. She was an actress, he was a light guy. I can only assume that Dylan knew as much about Rachel’s faith as I did, which was not much, if anything.
They did not target those of faith. They targeted people at random.
I know this doesn’t go along with the story most of you have heard, but let’s be real. No one can really say for certain what the exchange was between Rachel and her murderers. Unlike the library, where there were many witnesses, there was only one witness to Rachel’s death, and they were paralyzed and traumatized. In addition, their likeness is featured in this film WITHOUT permission. I wonder why that is…
The story you’ve been told about Rachel has been fabricated and neatly packaged as absolute truth so that her story could be more easily sold. Rachel was a person of faith, this is true, but by all accounts kept it mostly to herself until she died. Once her journals were found, a huge business was formed. They have made money off of her story as a direct result of this perpetuated lie (books, speaking engagements, and now movie deals). While Rachel’s Challenge did help people and honor her memory, this movie just bolsters an all out falsehood. It is clearly a money grab. The people who want to see this movie love a fairy tale, and will never dig too hard to find out whether it’s true or not.
Let’s face it, a girl who died because she stood up for what she believed in is way more interesting (and ultimately sells more) than a girl who was simply the first of many. ~Sarah
Thank you! It’s so frustrating that there are untruths trying to give some religious or political manifesto to the killers. There wasn’t one beyond hatred.
–Devon Adams
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To be clear, we are aware that Rachel’s family is behind this production. We agree that it is their right to produce this movie.
However, it is our right as survivors and friends of Rachel to disagree with portions of this movie. Since these portions of the movie are part of the whole, we believe the whole movie should be boycotted.
Specific grievances are as follows:
1) Glamorizing the shooting at Columbine High School and the shooters. Eric’s wishes to be immortal and for his acts to be remembered are all but granted. He will live on FOREVER because of this movie. I do not care how short of a time he and Dylan are in the movie. They are in there. Actors portraying them are in the movie. Their acts are now immortalized on the big screen, just like they wanted. It is absolutely wrong. All it would take to tell what happened to Rachel is a black screen, and either a voice or scrolling text to briefly describe Columbine and her role. Everyone knows what happened. To hire actors to play Eric and Dylan is shameful. Glamorizing what they did is wrong, no matter how little screen time it actually gets. There is no justification for including this in the movie. How many copycats do you think will be created as a direct result of Eric and Dylan’s screen time?
2) Depicting Rachel’s death. I don’t need to explain further. How many times do you think they had to shoot that particular scene to get it just right? Think about that for a minute…
3) A release date of April 20th. This is simply to boost ticket sales, since it is the anniversary. It is clear there was absolutely no consideration for any of the survivors with this choice in release dates.
4) The trailer is a TRIGGER for survivors. As a survivor, and as someone who has PTSD as a result of the shooting, April is a very hard month for me, as it is for most other survivors and the community as a whole. During that month, I try to avoid places that remind me of that day to the best of my ability. This year, not only will I have to avoid places, I will have to avoid my TV for fear of seeing this trailer and the glamorized Hollywood deptiction of my friend and my horrific life event. Not to mention my likeness will probably be portrayed in the movie.
I agree that Rachel’s Challenge honored Rachel’s memory. I do not agree this movie is the right way to tell Rachel’s story nor to honor her memory. ~Sarah
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I’d like to talk a little about the movie making process today. You see, my husband is in the industry. It sounds glamorous, but it really isn’t. The end product might be cool, but to get there takes hours and hours (and hours) of painstaking work. One 3-minute scene may take the whole day to film. We aren’t even talking about the editing process.
Now, let’s take a closer look at this movie, specifically, Rachel’s death scene. There are at least 10-20+ people for every scene. From producers, to cameramen, to lighting guys, to the director, to the actors… there’s a lot of people present. To get this scene just right, there had to have been several takes. Can you imagine what this particular scene set up must have looked like?
“Now girl playing Rachel, I need you to look more scared. You’re facing death, you know it. I need to see your fear!” “Now guys playing Dylan and Eric. You have all the power. You’ve got rage. I need to see your rage. Wear this trench coat. Hold your gun this way, hold your gun that way.” “Guy playing Eric, pull Rachel’s hair just this way when you hold the gun to her head, but face the camera this way…”
What it must have been like on set to witness this. Do you think the director had any second thoughts about reenacting this scene? Do you think the camera guys felt any pangs of guilt? What about Rachel’s mother? She’s a producer; do you think she was on set at the time? Do you think she was witness to the actress portraying her daughter dying over and over again just to get that particular scene right? Or do you think she skipped that day? Is she just concerned with the final product and ticket sales, considering the release date? What exactly is her priority in showcasing her daughter’s death, and in giving screen time to her daughter’s killers?
I can’t speak for her, but if it were me, and it were my daughter, that is the single most horrific day of my life. I would never want to “see” how my daughter died outside of my mind’s eye. I would never consider featuring the men that murdered my daughter, and I would NEVER give them a nanosecond of screen time in an attempt to tell the story of my daughter’s life. But I guess that’s just me. ~Sarah
who do you really think the halcyon girl was?
That’s the sixty-four-million-dollar question, now isn’t it? 😏
Would Dylan give lots of physical affection? Not sexual, just physical affection like always wanting to have his arm around his girl or hold her hand or wanting to cuddle up with her whenever possible? I feel like he’d do some PDA at school ☺

I think he most definitely would, once he got used to the idea that, yeah, he actually had a girlfriend now and so, he’d warmed up to her encouragement with time. He would be making up in spades for a lot of physical affection that he seemed to crave on a deep level. I feel as though there was some lack of physical contact for him as child that he needed and didn’t fully get. I speculate that he was raised in a household that was far more verbally demonstrative with praise and it was probably more the norm over regular hugs and such. So,somehow, for Dylan, the thoughts of just physical closeness with a girl was what comforted and eased his tormented, overactive mind. The way he writes about being with his ‘her’, you’d think that the before and/or after cuddling was prized more dearly above and beyond his thoughts of entertaining sexual expression with her. And it’s not that he didn’t entertain the thought of having sex with her it’s just that there was something about the cuddling that made him feel whole inside himself. The subtlety in his describing them simply laying there with his girl and only cuddling is provocative in and of itself in an almost Victorian, chaste sort of way. And yet, this is what he focused on because the thought of it somehow nurtured and comforted his very being, the close physical contact with someone who loved him as much as he loved her was beyond bliss. And that was all that was needed or necessary for him. So, yes, I can see him learning that clasping his large hand and long fingers around her extended hand sneakily snaking into his own would feel so mighty fine to Mr. Dylan that he would begin to be the one to extend his hand out to hers without thought whenever and wherever possible. He’d want and crave that connection and it would console his mental-ness and pull him from being inside head so much and ground him to earth, to the physical world of touch . He’d be comfortable with some personal displays of affection in school but not overtly so. He’d still be that shy guy in public most of the time and so reserved and tasteful in his displays of affection. However, it be the tightest, most reassuring handhold ever and that squeeze of reassurance or rubbing her palm with his thumb. 🙂 But in the casual, personal company of friends he knew well, Dylan would have his arm fully wrapped about his girl’s waist while walking the streets of downtown Denver on a weekend. Much quality cuddling time would be practiced regularly while at one anothers home in the midst of watching movie marathons where his girl is curled onto his lap, or snuggling up in the backseat of the car for body warmth during inclement weather (a-hem) on lunch hour while sharing a bag of cookies and punctuated by kisses, both playful pecks and prolonged and deep, followed by deep shoulder rubs. Just some idle chit chat and laughs and then those forever moments of deep closeness and that perfect halcyon of quiet, peace and unspoken love between them. Just lingering on those displays of physical affection moments of simplicity those “oh … the thoughts of us … doing everything together,
not necessarily anything, just to be together would have been pure heaven” kind for Mr.Dylan Klebold.
To me Eric’s personality is more difficult to deconstruct. Considering he knew his journal was going to be read and laid it on plain sight on his desk. I feel as though he exaggerated many things and really wanted to push the imagine of just a plain cold, violent person. There’s only one dimension of his personality shown in his journal- the violent hateful side. I really wish we could understand the other parts of him.
Exactly right. His journal (manifesto, really) was largely playing to his audience-to-be, after his crime and death. He built himself up as nothing more than a remorseless, hateful rebel bad ass and permanently concealed the other facets which he hated most about himself – his vulnerable, emotionally sensitive side that felt deeply hurt and rejected. Only his tiny inner circle of friends got to see those parts. He eradicated his true self but you can catch glimpses of his true self reading between the lines of his manifesto.Fortunately, we can understand these other parts of Eric as @thedragonrampant did so most eloquently with Building ‘Reb’.
And I seem to be on a Rebby roll this week for some reason..must be the holiday spirits or er, something like that.. 😉
What are the meanings behind the hearts that Dylan drew? One is a heart with a road inside of it and another is a heart with the three barred cross. I’m sorry you’ve probably been asked this so many times.
– and sometimes, Dylan drew both symbolism contained within his heart/s..
The ‘three barred cross’, the Everlasting Contrast – represents the struggle, the battle between good & bad (of light & dark) which never ends within himself.
Sometimes the heart itself is split down the middle by the vertical line of the everlasting contrast.
‘The road’ was, no doubt, inspired by the Lost Highway, the movie (see below), which symbolized the ‘endless journey’. Within the heart, the endless, repetitively torturous journey finally does have end, a happy ending – the highway is angled upward, ascending toward the Halcyons where he and his She would be united together in eternal (endless) purity.
“It is
time. I love her the journey, the endless journey started, it has to end. We need to be happy
to exist truly. I see her in perfection, the halcyons. I await endless purity. I exist as less than
nothing without her.
–O. my humanity, –O “
I now know the final battle (the everlasting contrast) – the pain of humanity is our love.


What is the meaning of the everlasting contrast and the three barred cross?
Can you explain your icon? Isn’t that what Dylan drew inside hearts in his journal? Is it a necklace?
The necklace in your icon do you know where or how someone could get one like it?
where did you get your necklace?
Ok, one last time for these two Qs then they’re moving to the FAQ.
Everlasting Contrast triple cross symbolism
My triple-cross necklace was custom made by a friend. 🙂
do you know if Dylan liked pearl jam, motley crue, or nirvana?
I’d say maybe radio air plays of a couple of songs by Pearl Jam and Nirvana but none that he liked enough to flat out purchase nab off audio file sharing sites.;) No, on Motley
Crüe
Don’t you think it’s a bit presumptuous to assume what Eric or Dylan would do or say in a situation if they lived today? I mean, their own parents didn’t know what they were truly like or their mindset, all we’ve seen are a few tapes which they knew were recording them and so wouldn’t be genuine personalities and diaries which do give us insight into their thoughtS a lot but is about the only thing. We don’t actually know what they’d do, so why try to assume? They’re dead.
Conjecture is what is done to fill in the blanks when there is incomplete information. Having thoroughly researched this case, I see no reason to not fill in the blanks with my own personal intuitive and speculative leanings. When Sue’s book comes out, it will be an exciting time because there will be more facts to incorporate into this blog…as well as more hypothesizing. It’s my opinion that that is what breathes life and dimension to E-C. Of course, if you don’t care for my style, you’re free to not visit. Though, I gotta say, straight facts-only blogs that do an in-depth job answering questions are scarce. 🙂
What are your thoughts on Lynn Ann? I hate to give attention to her like this and you’ve probably already answered this but, I just wanted your opinion. She honestly scares me.
What more can be said that hasn’t already been said? Prime example of a narcissistic, shallow person that is older yet their maturity is stunted and it’s obvious they have a lot of hard spiritual work ahead of them for the glaring deficit of compassion and wisdom. Part of it too is just the attention received by way of the shock value that she spins for the majority of her horrified audience by way of what she does or says next…so it’s best to not give them your energy by reacting and feeding into the attention she craves.
What were Eric and Dylan’s favorite KMFDM songs?
For both of them together? I’d say probably the top favs would’ve been: Anarchy, Stray Bullet,
Godlike,
Son of a Gun, Megalomaniac and Dogma
Do you know if there is a list of all of Eric’s essays?
A fair amount of his essays and a few of Dylan’s are on this site – scroll down
to > JCSO Columbine Documents >
This file of 936 pages (25,923–26,859)
That quote you put down about Eric might be the best interpretation of his being I’ve ever seen. So much better than any journalist who’s been supposedly researching since ’99
Thankss 🙂
Are there any quotes or anything to prove that Eric was self loathing/insecure, and it’s extent? Could you explain to what extent, please? Thank you

“..then again, I have always hated how I looked, I make fun of people who look like me, sometimes without even thinking sometimes just because I want to rip on myself. Thats where a lot of my hate grows from, the fact that I have practically no self esteem, especially concerning girls and looks and such. therefore people make fun of me… constantly… therefore I get no respect and therefore I get fucking PISSED.” – Eric Harris
I’d say that about covers to what extent rather adequately.
Do you think Dylan and Eric would take good selfies?
The best suckiest selfies ever. 😏😎 Dylan doing his signature wave in slo mo vid mode or his blazed expressions at a friend’s party, Eric doing his dork expressions of Star Wars geeks waiting in line or the two brandishing bad ass weapons and knives for that snap. Photo bomb, yikes. 😁
Did Dylan’s BMW have a bench front or back seat for snuggling up? :)
Bench seat ? You gotta be kidding me, dude. lol No, Dyl did not have a BMW station wagon. And we’re talking a two door, flip-the front-bucket-seat-forward cramped backseat. The car is tiny so you can imagine that Mr. V had his front seat jacked all the way back for some long ass leg room.
Eric was “self loathing?” Maybe I’m really bad at reading people because he comes off as a narcissist to me.
“…I thought narcissism was about self-love till someone told me there is a flip side to it. It is actually drearier than self-love; it is unrequited self-love.” –Emily Levine








