I still don’t understand the triple barred cross post like is it part of any religion?

Dylan’s triple barred cross is not part of any traditional, organized religion.  It is Dylan’s personally constructed symbol that essentially embodies a dualistic spiritual philosophy.  He initially gravitated to the Knights Templar and Freemasonry variety of crosses such as the two barred Cross of Lorraine and he then added the third longer slash cutting across the middle (representing himself) in which it became what is commonly known as the Salem Cross.
It may even have been impart inspired by the power lines -echoing the triple barred cross- not far from his home.

How do you know Dylan had braces? He should’ve gotten jaw surgery to lose the under bite

Dylan had braces as seen here in his 7th grade photo.  It depends on how extreme the under bite is to determine whether surgery is needed.  In his particular case, it would seem that orthodontics corrected his bite for the most part.  He appears to have a very slight under bite in his late teen photos but not problematic or an eyesore. 

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Do you think there will be any possible future evidence or anything new to come to light in the near future? thank you in advance.

Most probably not anything significant from the case other than the parents deposition but that’s due to release in 2027. Blah. Plus Jeffco announced this past January they ‘destroyed’ the Basement Tapes and a lot of Columbine evidence they’d been holding on to over the years. They claimed they’d done this in 2011.

On the bright side, Sue Klebold’s memoirs is in the works (no release date yet). But you never know? Never say never..

I liked Dylan’s hair in his senior photo, or in the Nate Dykeman morning ritual. I did not like his hair at all in RR, Breakfast Run, or Radioactive Clothing. It DOES look…a little ugh :/

I especially like this length on him best.  Though I also like it when his hair is smooth and long as when he’s dragging on the cigarette in Radioactive Clothing and oh yeah, the pony.  😉  His face works better with longer hair given the oblong length of his face as it frames and softens his features a bit more. While super short looks refreshingly different on him (as in his drivers licence photo) it tends to makes his ears stick out and his chin more pronounced.  I’m feelin’ him for wanting to grow out his hair against his parents better judgement and his habitual penchant for smoothing out his nature curl for a more smooth, straighter look – which I can relate to myself.  I think Dyl had his own individualistic look he was gravitating towards and mom and dad hounding him to get his hair cut was just.. futile. lol   Dyl was kind of a nineties hippy – one part romantic, flowing curls and the rest, a scraggly, disheveled mess. But, hey, it’s 110% genuine him – a diamond in the rough.  He wasn’t about to give in and assimilate into yet another Columbine clone prep.

My life is now a lie. I thought Dylan had his BMW by the end of his junior year. How the hell did his hair get that long from Jan ’99 – March ’99? In Jan 99 his hair looks very nice, and combed. In March 99 it looks very raggy, unkempt, and kinda just all over the place. Strange.

Haha, yeah. It’s a bit of a shocker, huh?  😉  There’s a couple misconceptions about Dylan and those are:

1) He worked quite a bit at Blackjack in ‘98 to earn for NBK. – Nope!  not the case. He barely worked at Blackjack in ‘98   He hardly worked much in a week when he did work at Blackjack his first stint (10 hrs).

2) Dylan had his BMW at least half of ‘98 up until April ‘99 – Nope!  Dylan only had his trademark BMW 320i four months of his entire life. 

And yes, I reflect on his hair length the same as you.  If it’s true that Dyan’s beemer was purchased the last week of 1998 and he first drove it to school in Jan ‘99, his hair had grown quite fast from Jan up until March of ‘99 where it’s unkempt and sticking out of his ballcap in the Rampart Range footage or how long and sleek it looks when he’s dragging on that cigarette during the Radioactive Clothing video. Plus, in the Morning Ritual vid from early ‘99, his hair looks super short and curly because you can tell he basically just showers and let his hair air dry on the way to school. His wet curls shrink up the length considerably as opposed to when it’s dry and smoothed out by him running his hands through it all day.   Still though, dude had fast growing hair. It does seem strange, yeah..

WHAAATTTTTTT? This is confusing! I thought there was no TCM in the ’98-’99 school year. I think Chris said it himself too. How would Marla be in the TCM? She wasn’t In the yearbook of the TCM in the ’97-’98 year.

The original Trench Coat Mafia was in it’s heyday peak in ‘97-98 but while some of the members graduated and/or left CHS, the younger students remained in ‘98-99. Joe Stair, Chris Morris, Brian Sargent, Thaddeus Boles, Robert Perry, Krista Hanley, Pauline Colby and Kristen Theibault were a few prominent members of the original TCM group. I believe Dylan found his link to the group through Chris Morris and Kristen Theibault. Dylan introduced Eric into the group from the members he crossed paths with.   Marla Foust was a sophomore that associated with the TCM and and made her connection to the group in the year prior.  By ‘98-99, the original TCM had sort of semi disbanded it’s members as some graduated or dropped out, like Robert Perry.  Dylan and Eric saw themselves kind of like ‘the rise of the TCM’ v 2.0 and took the meaning of the name to a whole new intimidating level.  Chris Morris, Eric and Dylan bonded at Blackjack and when the original dudes like Joe Stair was loitering at CHS, they would associate with the ‘cool’ originals to make themselves feel more ‘in’.  They kind of road on the trenchcoat tail fumes of the original TCM.

Hi :) I asked this question before but I don’t think you ever received it…but the guy with the backwards hat standing next to Dylan in the video, ‘Dylan Klebold in Theatre Class’ at the beginning of the video when Dylan was arranging the sound and Dylan was talking to him…was that Zack Heckler? He looks VERY short. I thought all of Dylan’s friends except Eric were 6ft+. Even Brooks said Nate, Zack, Dylan, himself were all 6ft+ taller than Eric.

The dude standing next to Dylan has a roundish face and is a bit stocky which is very much like Zach’s physical characteristics.  Zack was somewhere around 6′1-6′2 in height.  Since Dylan at 6′3, is about an inch or so taller than Zack, the only way this could be Zack is if Dylan were standing on some type of platform on either the stage or in the orchestra pit that makes him appear almost a good foot taller than ‘Zack’ but also the other dudes standing nearby. 

Heights are:

Brooks Brown was 6’5, Chris Morris was 6’4, Dylan Klebold was 6’3, 

 Zach Heckler was 6’2, Nate Dykeman was 6’2 …and Eric was 5’8 

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I’m sorry but now I’m utterly confused. Was everyone in TCM interviewed on 4/20? Thank you. :)

Yes, if i remember correctly, pretty much all of them were interviewed and are in the 11,000 pages Jeffco report. However, some had suspiciously short interviews like Kristen Theibault and Marla Foust. Their reports are especially cursory in their mentioning of their acquaintance or friendship with Dylan and Eric as part of the TCM.  Kristen wasn’t even asked about her friendship with Dylan and the fact that she had been over his house as part of the Fantasy Baseball and that she had dated him at least one time. These are uh, kind of important details given their interactions with the ‘suspect’ Dylan. Basically all the couple of paragraphs of Kristen’s report covers is where she was at when 4/20 was going down. She claims she was with Robert Perry. Ok, great. Big whoop!

Chris Morris was scarier than Dylan and Eric (before 4/20/99). Where is he now? He even pulled a knife on a tcm member.

Yeah, he was a piece of work and as hot headed if not more than Eric in ‘97-98.  Then he got a girlfriend and he started mellowing out more.  Believe they were married and they had a kid but divorced  eventually  – all within a few years after Columbine.  Since then, he’s done a fantastic job of going underground and off the radar. Name change seems likely too.

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What do you mean “in eye shot of REB”? If you’re implying that Dylan would’ve done different with Lance if Eric was in a different area, I wholeheartedly dissagree

I’m implying that if people are stunned at Dylan’s atrocious actions towards people on 4/20 what do they expect of two boys set out to murder?  It would be less likely that Dylan would’ve had a change of heart and suddenly decided to save Lance’s life on a whim and even more ridiculous that he’d do that with his partner in crime’s full view of it.  Conversely, I doubt Eric would decide to save someone most especially not if Dylan witnessed him doing so. What a mixed message that would be.  It would look as though either of them are not on board with their mission and pussying out.  (John Savage was an exception because they both were standing there together when Dylan let him go.)

As Dyl would say in RAC: “that’s allll.”

When did Dylan get his BMW? He got his , license Oct 1997…but in jan 30 1998 van break in Eric was driving dylan

Dylan got his drivers license October 16, 1997 but according to this documentation below, Dylan’s BMW 320i was recorded as purchased on December 26, 1998.  

On January 30, 1998, Dylan was a passenger in Eric’s Honda Prelude the night they got caught for the van theft.  According to Dylan’s account in his Diversion Report on March 25, 1998, he had two traffic tickets: one for speeding and one for running a red light.  

It would appear according to these records that he got these traffic tickets long before his BMW was purchased.

How can this be the case?!

This means that Dylan only had his BMW 320i approximately a total of 4 months of his entire life – from the last week of December –  likely a Christmas present from his parents – and then from January up until April of 1999.

The Klebold’s owned at least 7 cars , including 4 BMW’s that date from the 1980′s. 

If Dylan got 2 traffic tickets earlier on before he had his own BMW, it would mean he was driving one of his parents vehicles or a spare BMW his dad had on hand. He may have gotten the traffic tickets anywhere between Jan – March ‘98 which might explain why Eric was driving them the night of the van theft. 

The evidence of insurance at the bottom covers his driving and started 9/3/98 with coverage ending 4/4/99 and mentions the BMW 320i.  This would mean that the insurance coverage would’ve been updated with the new type of vehicle he was driving and put in his glove box.  The initial coverage in 9/3/98 might have been insurance cover under another one of his dad’s cars.

p.s. If the actual purchase date is truly Dec ‘98 (wow),  this alters the timeline of when the Morning Ritual video was filmed by about a month later. Seems likely he and Nate would’ve video taped it perhaps the first day back to school from winter holiday break just when Dylan got his ‘new’ car.  

I will have to check the carfax report as well as other accounts which involve his car to verify all of this. Stay tuned.

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Do you think dyl and eric also would like cury girls. I really dont mean heavy ones, just a 10 or 12 us size. Or do they just liked these skinny and sporty ones

I’m sure that both boys had their ideal fantasy types with the perfect face and body in their minds but in reality, they were longing for female companionship and connection. If they liked the hypothetical girl’s personality, and she made them feel at ease and comfortable plus had a good sense of humor about her, I tend to think they would not at all be above dating a curvy girl. (Eric dated Sasha Jacobs and she had a bit more meat on her bones. Dylan went on a date once with Kristen Theibault and she was said to have been teased about her weight issues. The rumor heard by Cory Friesen was that they ‘had a good time.’) I do not think they would be snooty and superficial as to turn down at least a date with any approachable girl that gave the signals that she was interested. I think they’d at give it a try and see how things went. Physical attraction is somewhat important but chemistry, connection and relatability is even more important and generates attraction.

What would had stopped DyL from doing the shooting?

Essentially, finding a reason to care, that his life mattered and that he was connected and had meaning within this world, this existence. In his mind, it would be to find the love that was meant for him and to be understood and loved back and having a girlfriend equated with being worthy enough of being loved. To be able to care for someone and love that person who would return the same nourishment and support back to him. Then life would have worth, meaning and fulfillment. Caring and loving for someone and feeling the same in return would be completion and pure happiness.

Of course, this wouldn’t necessarily have to be a love relationship but someone being a good friend that took the time to really get to know him and be observant of some of the negative things he said and perhaps noticing that penchant for wanting to drink so much. A friend that would not just commiserate and say ‘yeah, school sucks. I hate it too.“ but someone that could express to him that they agreed that ‘yeah, this school sucks, but hey I’m worried about you. Are you ok? Are you sure you don’t want to talk about it? I’m going to log on chat tonight if you want to talk.” A patience friend that gently nudged him to open up about the struggles he was going through. Of course, Dylan falling in love with a girl would’ve been the ultimate boost that would make him change his mind and give him reason enough to veer him off the path from NBK. However, a love relationship might be a rollercoaster of ups-and-downs that lasted weeks, a month or two and might not necessarily have worked out in which case, he would feel beyond devastated. You’d have to hope that he would’ve managed that their relationship would stick and would still be going strong all the way up until the end of the ‘99 school year but that wouldn’t be a given for his first real relationship considering that he had his own problems. If she ended the relationship with him say shy of two weeks before his planned date with Eric, you can bet he’d be even more vested in going NBK and terminating his life.

Ultimately, what I mentioned above would’ve been temporary fixes that for Dylan, would make him change his mind about going NBK in the short term, only. In the long run, Dylan really needed therapy because his craving for love as the panacea to fill his sense of empty disconnectedness stemmed from a deeper place that needed to be addressed with the help of someone who really demonstrated they cared over a period of time.