Wait you handmade that? That’s amazing!! I want an earring or a necklace of the everlasting contrast so bad. I bought dupes of Dylan’s ring, kmfdm shirt, sunglasses and combat boots. It’s like the last thing I need aha!

c0atimundi:

everlasting-contrast:

I suppose I should reiterate and say that it was custom made by a friend? 😏 Hah..You’re a complete coolio! His real deal sunglasses? Haven’t ever spotted those. I’d be interested in knowing the exact brand/style of combat boots Dyl wore. Hmm.. I wonder if resident military ‘fashion’ expert c0atimundi might actually know this tidbit. 😎

Naturlich, 🙂 they’re black jungle boots with the later “vibram” sole (as opposed to the earlier ‘panama’ sole). We used these from the Vietnam war all the way to the 2nd Gulf war (and slightly beyond for some till 2008) with slight variations over time (materials used, drainage grommets, sole pattern, speed-laces, spike resistant plate rear seam, padded or non padded collar, insole, blah blah etc). The military issued a set in black (previously the canvas/nylon parts were green) sometime in the 80’s.

 There are plenty of companies that make these for the civilian market, some are the same people who made/make them for the military (altama, wellco, bata, belleville, ro-search), some are purely commercial/civvie and put out low quality shit that starts to fall apart after a week or so (rothco, propper, sturm, genuine-gear, and many many many others), these are the ones you’ll find brand new for 20-40 bucks. If you want a pair just search through ebay and try to get a used set from the good brands/military surplus. The specific brand Eric and Dylan used is hard to say with the grainy footage and pics we have, but I’m guessing altama or wellco? they tend to have the vibram logo displayed prominently (sometimes in bright yellow, sometimes black) infront of the heel, there’s some kind of rectangular bit lengthwise on Eric’s and widthwise on Dyl’s there. Dylan’s boots also appear to have a padded collar.

Difficult to really be sure what specific brand they are, but it doesn’t matter that much; like whether their BDUs were twill or rip-stop, button or zipper fly, too tiny a detail to make much of a fuss about.

The little hammer and sickle split pin btw, is just the standard enameled Soviet military cap pin used from the 60’s onward, shouldn’t cost more than a few dollars (like a quarter actually, they made like a ga-billion of em).

Double also, because I know it’s going to come up; that photo of Dylan’s boot with the autopsy description isn’t Dylan’s boot, just a mocked up one for visual reference.

I just knew you’d be in your element with a very thorough answer. 😉 And I’m the one that originally posted that ‘Dylan’s book with the autopsy description’ that’s floating around and has been reblogged endlessly – guilty as charged back in the early days! 😉 I quickly realized they were not his boots since for one, Dyl has a size 12 foot and also, that thick, very stiff-like padding..or ‘padded collar’ as you call it? extends up the front, along the length of where the lacing is. It’s certainly a unique looking style..hm, don’t know if “Jungle boots” versus run-of-the-mill “combat boots” makes that difference in the a more rugged design? I’ve done some searching around but never find the exact match of his boot. Thanks for filling in the blanks with much detail complete with military back-ground history. Your knowledge is most resourceful. 🙂

ask-rebandvodka:

In relation to this post, http://ask-rebandvodka.tumblr.com/post/111970792810/dont-think-i-mentioned-this-but-my-dads-best
I’m going to state her two encounters with Dylan as I can only remember two of them but there may have been more; I’m not going to use her name as she is very private and all that stuff 🙂

First time she was out and missed notes, Dylan offered to help her and give her the notes from a friend.

Second time she got pushed by another girl and Dylan asked if she was okay 🙂

Wait you handmade that? That’s amazing!! I want an earring or a necklace of the everlasting contrast so bad. I bought dupes of Dylan’s ring, kmfdm shirt, sunglasses and combat boots. It’s like the last thing I need aha!

I suppose I should reiterate and say that it was custom made by a friend? 😏 Hah..You’re a complete coolio! His real deal sunglasses? Haven’t ever spotted those. I’d be interested in knowing the exact brand/style of combat boots Dyl wore. Hmm.. I wonder if resident military ‘fashion’ expert c0atimundi might actually know this tidbit. 😎

c0atimundi:

marlboro-redsox:

g0re-wh0ore:

shallow-existences:

I’ve always wondered about Dylan’s right boot in this gif, it looks almost like it had become untied. He probably didn’t give a shit about tying it seeing how he’d be dead in another 10-15 minutes anyways.

I didn’t even notice that until you pointed it out

I noticed that quite a while back and then when looking at their suicide photo’s I wondered wtf I had been seeing, seeing how his boots both look fully tied….

U.S triple grenade pouch, used from the end of ww2 till the 70’s. Like this: 

It’s drawn on all of his gear sketches, with the first two pouches containing extra 9mm bullets or shotgun shells, the 3rd is listed as “poison” in one of the sketches.

In the basement tape “transcripts”; “He attaches black suspenders to his pants & also attaches a tan ammo type pouch to his belt or suspenders & a green canvas pouch to his right shin.” (the “tan ammo type pouch” is just a Nikon camera case he used to hold molotov Snapples)

In the gear exhibit case it’s on the upper shelf, right side, folded ontop of itself and in-between Eric’s black and green ALICE shotgun shell pouches.

Always been soo intrigued with this loosely fastened ‘triple granade’ pouch to his right leg. Seems like it would’ve been a nuisance to drag around but Dyl simply wasn’t fussed. Hm. I feel another series of ‘Indiodyncrasies of’ post coming on. 😉

I read your answer to the question what they might thought in their last seconds and I always thought they died in the same moment but you stated that Dylan lived a lil longer. Is that true, did he see his best friend dead?

Eric had his back to the bookshelves, at an angle, and Dylan had his back towards the book cart. Both were facing outward but kitty-corner parallel towards the tables and main library windows but neither were looking directly at one another.   Eric shot himself first and had his knees bent up towards his chest and put the shotgun in his mouth. The force of  the shotgun propelled him back and partially on his side. How he was discovered is pretty much how he landed. Dylan would have only peripherally seen Eric shoot himself but would not have witnessed him committing the act straight on – as in – his direct line of vision. He certainly would’ve heard the deafening sound of impact and blood spatter as Eric fell back and his knees dropped as though he were laying down, with the gun underneath his leg. After Eric committed the act, Dylan followed up and shot himself with his left hand to the left temple no more than a couple of seconds after Eric pulled the trigger. Dylan fell face down on top of Eric’s legs and bled out on top of his friend’s leg and boot. Dylan was, for all intent and purpose, already brain dead when his body began to convulse, cough and sputter. This was his body’s involuntary response of futilely trying to aspirate and purge the blood out of his lungs; his secondary cause of death was futility drowning within his own bodily fluids since his brain was no longer in charge of his body.  It’s unclear if when Dylan ‘coughed’ that he somehow managed to roll onto his back as he was dying and expire – or –  the cops came in and simply kicked him off Eric just to check and see if he was dead. So, no, it’s a myth that the two counted “1, 2, 3” and then shot themselves simultaneously nor did Dylan and Eric look each other as they off’d themselves.  Dylan experienced Eric’s death but not directly. He probably peered down a brief second and witnessed Eric’s legs sprawling out in loss of bodily control. I do not get the sense that he looked back over his shoulder to immortalize his friend and brother as a bloody pulp of gore for one last impression on his mind to go out with.  In that moment, bereft and utterly alone, Dylan’s focus became solely about his own physical escape from the world.  Of course, this is my own extrapolation from the evidence…   

Hello your tumblr is perfect! Love the way you express yourself keep it up. What do you think the boys did or said to one another before committing suicide? I always wonder if they walked around the library one last time ..I think you answered this before but I wonder if they told Eachother something ..

I think when they got back to the library the last time, they walked in, maybe paused briefly at the security scanners near the entrance doors and quickly assessed that everyone had left. At this point, the fascination was no longer about their kills scattered about the library. The thrill had evaporated and they were in a disillusioned funk over the overall failure of NBK.   So, no, I don’t think they  walked around in the library gloating or even just to linger and survey the damage.  They were sick of it and the walls were closing in. The thought of getting caught and arrested would be a fate worse than death.  The attention was now on the presence of the cops and the sense of being surrounded. The library exit door leading out to where the south-west entrance is located was now propped open from the students that had fled form the library and emergency vehicles were milling about just outside. Cops were there too – some keeping an eye on that door. This caught the boys’ notice as they walked further on towards the front of the library. I seem to recall from the 11K that it was eerie because one of the boys (from the description it sounded like Dylan) was seen visibly standing off in the distance from that door looking back at the cops just outside. The Lost Boy looking rather like a ghost in the smokey haze of the library staring outside the open doorway. They were face-to-face for moments and I believe some fire was exchanged in a cursory way by the boys at the cops.  Since nothing else had gone as planned, the only focus at this point had become about ‘killing cops’ so they progressed to the noises outside the main windows to get a good view of all the attention they had literally surrounded by cars, cops, swat, media, helicopters. The two exchanged fire with the vulnerable cops and ambulances on the ground trying to shuttle wounded into safety with cops simultaneously firing back up at them.  The concerted battle was the boys’ last ‘hurrah’ – their vendetta against “the authority” which also served the purpose of attempting to attain their planned death wish: to be killed by cops. At some point in the brief showdown, they must have realized it was futile. They were rapidly running out of ammo and realized that even the fantasy they’d envisioned with someone else taking their lives was not to be in the cards. At this point, the two turned from the window and had begun to quickly survey a decent enough spot within their sights for them to end their lives. They were now weary, disillusioned and desperate to take care of the problem. The back corner of the library would do.   

There wasn’t time to think; simply do what needed to be done. They strode over to their designated graveyard with resigned purpose. The only way to do this properly and without hesitation was to do it as quick as possible. Seems Eric would have been single minded in purpose, like a soldier, all business-like. Dylan would’ve been considering how he wanted to go and which personal affects he would remove off of himself. While Dylan was doing all of this, Eric was busying himself, already getting down into position and adjusting Arlene. Any exchange of words would have been hasty and not overly considered. Too much delay and hesitation would make things more difficult. The deed needed to be done, the sooner the better, especially for Eric who likely had a haunted look on his face because he quickly had to come to terms with suicide by his own hand in addition to the failure of NBK.. By contrast,  Dylan would’ve been quietly methodical, calm if not lethargic in movement. He had waited for this moment for a long time and he was mindful having fantasy-rehearsed his death several different ways before. Dylan prepared for his suicide in an almost ritual-like way by removing certain items and putting them into a small pile by himself. Somewhere in there, Dylan decided to light a Molotov which only partially exploded on the table nearby.  Yet, another failure.. Eric looked up at Dylan and the exchange might have been a nod of:  “Nice knowing you man, see you on the flip side.” And just as Dylan looked away for a split second to remove something, he would’ve been stunned by how abruptly his friend had managed to have done it, pulled the trigger: the deafening sound of the shotgun, the splattering of Eric’s brains hitting the ceiling and the blood projectiling everywhere, including on his own clothes and arm. Just in that split second, he had experienced Eric’s death peripherally while in the midst of shedding his belongings. He may have thought Eric could have waited for them to go out together, instead that was not to be the reality just as none of it had gone the way they thought it would that day.  Dylan was then literally all alone and just the thought of that in and of itself was more than enough motivation to shakily position his TEC a hair’s breath from his skull and blow himself away from his miserable existence as well. I would imagine that he’d have closed his eyes and took one last tremulous breathe while holding the vision of the Halcyons within his mind’s eye, where freedom and bliss awaited him.“ I didn’t like life too much & I know I’ll be happier wherever the fuck I go. So I’m gone. …”

And, well, that’s approximately how I envision it?  The moment they are back up in the library that last time would’ve been a very haunting, disillusioning, hardcore-gritty experience for them. It was Them versus The World which was closing in on them like a vice. Think Star Wars trash compactor.  No time to look around to admire their (rather meager) destructive handiwork they were responsible for and no time to say thoughtful “hey bro, you were the best man. I love you, dude” sentiments. Just them stuck in the library looking back at NBK as the biggest flop of their lives only to further define them as losers. Even the very last molotov that Dylan threw on the table seemed to say “nope, you two are made of fail.”   You would’ve thought Dylan might’ve wanted to pull the trigger first since he was eager for death or that Eric and Dylan would’ve waited for one another to be ready, to do it idealistically together as Bros in Arms – but instead, the colossal failure of NBK was enough to make a suddenly extremely self-loathing Eric want to blow his brains first and asap, leaving Dylan to go it alone.  The enormous sense of aloneness in that moment for Dylan would’ve topped all others in his life. 

This was much more long-winded than I intended.  Hope it helped satisfy your question and then some! And thank you so much for the kind words. 🙂  

It’s time for another episode of.. The (lost) Basement Tapes moments.. ;)

Last week as we recall, REB n’ VoDkA were..

Touring Harris’ bedroom, where outside they have buried some of their ammunition in what they call “the whiskey bunker,” the two point out semi-automatic weapons and Harris’ beloved G.I. Joe action figures.

 
“I’ve always loved them..”  says Eric.

Dylan complains that the manufacturer should make 
“at least one moveable part” in G.I. Joes. 

Dylan mentions the “bunker” and attempts to video tape out the west window of Eric’s room but it is dark outside and you cannot see anything other than the GLARE on the window.

Dylan states there is a patch of ground where it is buried under the dirt. 

“You can’t see it, it’s buried there. That’s why it’s called a bunker..”  

So apparently when E and D entered the library, a girl heard one say to the other, “Are you still with me? We’re still gonna do this, right?”. I’ve wondered who was the one to say it and i wondered your opinion on who it was? (I love your blog so much btw)

Lisa Kreutz’ (page 62 of the 11k) account: The boys entered the library and started yelling then and one said something about blowing up the library. She heard an explosion inside the library then and she heard one of the gunmen say that they hated the school and that the school had messed them up. Then the shooting began inside the library, setting the fire alarm off. The girls pulled the chairs in closer to the table to hide behind but that didn’t stop the bullets when [Dylan Klebold] began to shoot under their table. Lisa’s right wrist was grazed by a stray bullet. She heard the “Do you believe in God?” exchange between Valeen Schnurr, which occurred about the same time that [Dylan] fired again under the table where Lisa was still hiding. She was hit several times, sustaining multiple gunshot wounds to shoulder, hand and both arms. She lay bleeding in the library for 2 1/2 hours, unable to move due to the severity of her injuries, before she was rescued by officials on scene. She was the last survivor to be pulled from the library.

When the shooters entered the library she heard one say: “Are you still with me? We’re still gonna do this, right?” 

Which time the shooters entered the library- that is, when her mind recalls she heard this –  is key.  

Which boy said this really is hinged on when Lisa Kreutz actually heard the alleged question and whether her recall of precisely when she heard this is correct.  If Lisa had heard one of them say this at the start of the library massacre, while the boys were first approaching the library doors, then I believe that Eric was asking Dylan for reassurance that he was still on board with the ‘make it up as we go along Plan B’ – to continue on with their KMFDM agenda to shoot, kill, maim classmates trapped in the library. This would’ve been before Eric had broke his nose and so he would’ve still been very enthusiastic and pumped up, thirsty for kills and revenge, in addition to the mere taste of it they got outside with some potshots at students on the school grounds.   Upon entering the school, they’d stalled and dicked around in the hallway by shooting and throwing pipe bombs at lockers and walls and randomly shooting at fleeing students in an ineffective free-for-all manner. The two even separated a good bit of time. Dylan killed no one in the hall, Eric killed Dave Sanders.  So, Eric was ready to head into that library and take revenge up close and in a personal way.  Was Dylan ready for this?  Eric had to be sure he was ready for the next level of destruction that was left up to them to accomplish since the bombs hadn’t yet gone off, and might never.

Since, Lisa was heavily wounded and remained in the library somewhere near  an unconscious Patrick Ireland the entire time after all the other students fled, her recall may have been hazy as to when exactly this alleged question was posed. It’s quite possible that it occurred when the boys returned for the very last time to the library.  By then, their mindset had become more distracted and aimless after failing to make the bombs go off in the Commons.  The blood lust against classmates had fizzled and committing suicide was rapidly becoming forefront in their minds since the cops were now closing in.  If the alleged discussion had occurred the second time, the last time, they ventured to the library, I believe Dylan would have asked Eric for reassurance that he too was committed to the act of suicide because this is what Dylan wanted most of all out of that entire day.  Oh sure, the rest was the ‘have fun!’ journey but the end was his destination he so longed for.  

I do believe that Eric may have been hesitant to commit suicide at some point or another, since he was seen to be remorseful on the Basement tape videos made two and a half weeks before the incident, and in their final testament video, Eric was seen to be saying how much he would miss his boss, Bob, at Blackjack, how he would miss some special people, how he wished he could go back to Michigan and see some old friends first, and how he knew his parents would be so hurtful, and his statement of “to everyone I love, I’m sorry about all this” or something to that similar affect. Dylan, on the other hand, was on a suicide mission from the very beginning, and made his suicide a key point in NBK, more than a year prior to the incident. Eric had also wrote that he and Dylan could escape after the incident, and destroy as much as possible, move to Mexico or an island where Americans couldn’t find them, or hijack and crash a plane into New York City afterwards. His alternative exits may have been wildly far fetched fantasy but it equates to a certain amount of disbelief and hesitation that NBK was a revenge mission which could only end unequivocally in suicide – either romantically by cop as he envisioned – or by their own hand.  At the point they made their way back up to the library, Eric would have had to rapidly come to the terms that he would have to do the job for himself in their failed mission.  Even though Eric knew that he wouldn’t live after the incident, and that he eventually would go ahead and commit suicide, he didn’t make his own suicide a key part of the event, something that was absolutely necessary, while Dylan did.  It’s not likely that Dylan would have been the one to have ideas of backing out since it was his utmost goal to complete NBK for the reward of freedom that awaited him.

Anyway, that’s my take! Glad you enjoy E-C. 🙂