strangeexistence:

@everlasting-contrast woah really? Thats way interesting and awesome. It would be cool to see everything 😊

Yep. It’s very dark inside. Now, of course I’m sure most Outbacks have the dark wood thing going on but when I say dark inside, I mean the vibe of the place also felt that way too..felt like remnant fumes of their energy in there. Not quite sure how to explain it..but like a sense of secretiveness.  I’ll see if I can post pics I took inside and outside of it sometime. But the food was delish – the perfect steak and potatoes kind of place for the dudes’ last meal (compliments of Rebby coupons ;)) and to firm up those last minute covert plans. 

Here’s an old interview from spring 2016 which I stumbled on..

Making Sense of Columbine: A Conversation with Sue Klebold  

On April 20th, 1999, two high school seniors at Columbine High School in Columbine, Colorado, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and one teacher, as well as injuring many others. The pair then killed themselves.

The lives of the families and loved ones of those killed that day were changed, devastatingly, forever.

The life of Sue Klebold, mother of shooter Dylan Klebold, was also changed.

Shocked by her failure to anticipate her son’s emerging problems and tragic actions, she has actively devoted herself, in the 17 years since, to informing herself and others about mental health, often working alongside the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.

On the occasion of her book release A Mother’s Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy, Sue sat down for a conversation with AFSP’s Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Christine Moutier.

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DR. CHRISTINE MOUTIER: Has it been just an absolute whirlwind, with your interview schedule?

SUE KLEBOLD: It’s starting to slow down now, finally. I’m finding I do have moments now where I can concentrate on my ‘other’ life, and I think that those moments will grow as time goes by.

CM: When we connected in person in Little Rock at AFSP’s annual Chapter Leadership Conference, you had just done the Diane Sawyer interview. Now, of course, we’ve seen what they did with that, and how they put it out there. How are you feeling about it?

SK: The Diane Sawyer interview was my first public interview, so it was difficult for me.  But I think it turned out to be a very effective way to begin a dialogue about the tragedy in the context of mental health and suicidality. So, you know, I feel that people are asking me a broader array of questions now, which is nice. So, yeah, I’m feeling pretty good about it.

CM: That’s great. Part of how I saw the Diane Sawyer interview, and others you’ve done, is that people out there in the world had to go back to the last point in time that you were sort of a public figure, and bridge their understanding of what happened then, and what has been happening in your thinking, and with your advocacy work and suicide prevention. So most of it was just relating to real events, and then carrying the conversation more towards mental health and suicide prevention. Some of the things that I noticed were particularly moving, in your discussions about the book, revolve around the themes of forgiveness, and, to some degree, acceptance, in terms of those other families or individuals out there.

SK: Yes. That has been an incredibly uplifting and heartwarming result of all this. I have gotten to meet a few of the victims, or their family members, as a result of the book being released. That has been amazing to me. I think when this tragedy happened, the community was in such shock, and we never really had an opportunity to meet each other: to talk, to try to work through any of this. So people have had nearly 17 years of whatever beliefs they were holding onto, whatever feelings. So the fact that now a few people are feeling safe enough to come forward and speak, it’s a huge gift to me. I mean, it’s just incredible.

CM: That’s really amazing. Is that something you had anticipated?

SK: No, I didn’t. I hoped it would happen, but I can’t say I was anticipating it.

CM: I know, as we’ve talked, you’ve tried to anticipate many different outcomes, in terms of the messaging and our concerns about contagion. But you’ve been so thoughtful and careful in seeking advice from experts on the subject of mental health, and you’re such a wise person yourself. So I want to commend you for all of that. But, also, I’m feeling so encouraged by some of that new dialogue.

SK: Well, one of the things I don’t have control over is that sometimes, following interviews, when people actually write or make a print copy of the interview, they fill it with photographs of my son wearing his weapons, and even after everything that we’ve talked about in an interview, or that’s in the book, there are editors out there who want to show these violent images with the articles, and, you know, I find that kind of appalling. But it does still happen, and we are continuing to try to educate media and people about that, about the risk of contagion.

CM: What would you say are a couple of things from your personal experience, being the center of attention in this way, that have been the most surprising? For instance, has it been surprising to you that people have had an understanding about mental health, perhaps, that’s been positive?

SK: You know, actually, I’m not surprised. I believe, very much, that we — “we” meaning our culture, our society at this time – were ready to hear this message. I felt so strongly that it was the right time to do this.

CM: I’m thinking of how passionate you are about getting the big picture message out about identifying young people who are struggling, and who have a burgeoning mental health problem. How has that part of this been, being in the public spotlight? Has there been enough attention on those issues that you cared most passionately about getting out there?

SK: It’s a little early for me to tell. There is another component of this whole issue of getting care: that there are so many people who know that they have a family member who is troubled, who is having problems — maybe addiction problems, problems with depression — and the individual absolutely refuses to acknowledge that or to get treatment.

CM: Well, I couldn’t agree with you more, Sue, and, just so you know, those are top of mind for us at AFSP in terms of how to balance the individual’s right versus the issue of getting people the help they need at those critical times. And then the other piece to it is training clinicians, even within primary care, and, of course, within mental health, on what to do when they encounter people who are distressed and at risk. But I just have to tell you that I have so much hope that we can really move some of those things forward in powerful ways. If you think about the way things have changed in the last few years, in terms of attitudes towards mental health, it is incredible.

SK: Well, I’m hoping that these changes are occurring. Every time I hear that a school shooting was thwarted because some program found out about the situation, and the warning signs are heeded, I’m just thrilled when these things work. Because I think they have the potential to work, and work well, but more people need to be on board with what needs to be done.

CM: What do you see coming up for you, in terms of next steps? Is there a big vision that you’ve had?

SK: I have no clearly defined vision, but I’ve been thinking hard about it lately. For almost the last seventeen years, I woke up every day thinking about this book, writing this book in my head, and I’m not doing that anymore. I still want to stay connected to the cause of suicide prevention and to advocate for mental health awareness, but I’m trying to figure out how my priorities might shift now that the book is published.

CM: Sue, is there anything else that came to your mind while we were talking, that you’d like to touch on?

SK: No. I can’t think of a thing. These are nice, refreshing, different questions.

[Source] American Foundation for Suicide Prevention

I’m not the anon but here are the “basement tapes” from reddit….totally legit 😏

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E-C response to this submit:

These are legit the VHS tapes of the Jeffco Investigational records that have always been available over the years to the public for purchase on their website. These are not legit the Basement Tapes, folks. 😏😂

Harris & Klebold video clips = the video productions clips that are readily available all over youtube like Hitmen for Hire, Radioactive clothing, etc.

Rampart Range video = well, self explanatory.

Security Tape 1 & 2 = The CCTV cafteria footage

Littlleton Fire Dept training Vid = Helicopter and Fire dept footage of inside and outside of the school and library

Again, all of these are hardly worth purchasing anymore since they’re all readily available on youtube from others who have purchased these tapes over the years and uploaded them to the net.

Susan Klebold Doesn’t Believe God Is Watching Over Her Family Anymore  

Forward – by Britta Lokting – March 28, 2016 [Source]

Klebold said her son didn’t identify with being Jewish. At one point in the book, he objects, out of embarrassment, to reciting the four questions at a Seder.   According to Klebold, he reveals this frustration on “The Basement Tapes.” Then, she said, Eric Harris stops and says, “I didn’t know you were Jewish,” after which Dylan Klebold seems to turn fearful that Harris might target him.  

“It was a very odd moment,”
she said.

Click the cut for the full article   (An extra treat is to click on the photos in the article for a very large, high def size of each photo. Enjoy! 🙂 )

In the days after Dylan Klebold along with Eric Harris shot and killed 12 students and one teacher and then himself at Columbine High School on April 20, 1999, his mother, Sue Klebold, remembered a kind of “religious warfare” in the community of Littleton, Colorado. The notion that she hadn’t raised her son to be a moral human became a prevalent theory that followed her for years.

“There was an assumption from the tragedy that Dylan had not been taught right from wrong,” she told me recently in a phone interview. In her newly released book, “A Mother’s Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy,” she writes about trying to instill a moral code in her son. During his junior year in high school, 12 months before the shootings, he and Harris broke into a van.

After his mother retrieved him and drove him home, she stopped him as he ran upstairs, and then sat him down on the steps. She felt frustrated and surprised by what he had done, and told him that he needed to live by the 10 Commandments. Sue Klebold thought her message had gotten through.

“Dylan was a malleable person, and whenever we talked about something he would come around to my point of view, and so in my mind it was an effective conversation,” she said. These ideas of morality and religion simmer underneath Klebold’s recounting of her son’s life in the years before the shootings. She tried to instill them in him as far back, in some instances, as his early childhood, but they never really got through to him. In Klebold’s attempt to come to terms with her son’s actions, she portrays him as a suicidal depressive instead of the “monster” depicted in the media.

“She attempted to paint a very real portrait of Dylan and insisted on his humanity,” said Andrew Solomon, who wrote about the Klebolds in his 2012 book, “Far From the Tree: Parents, Children and the Search for Identity,” and wrote the introduction to Klebold’s memoir.

She discusses her own humanity as well by outlining her blindness to her son’s depression and unhappiness, and to his plan to kill. At one point in the book, when, during his high school years, he forgets Mother’s Day, Klebold snaps with frustration and shoves him against the fridge. He tells her he feels angry and doesn’t know if he can control that anger, and she brushes off his reaction as normal adolescent behavior.

“He was a teenage boy and a lot of things got him angry, but he was angry in a very appropriate teenage boy sort of way,” she said. “He would get irritated when we corrected his driving, and do that teenage eye roll thing. It was all very normal.”  Looking back, Klebold realizes Dylan’s behavior might have suggested a larger problem.“ I was not aware that a change in behavior might be indicative of a mental health issue getting started,” she said.

In a six-week investigation by Time magazine after the shooting, reporters Nancy Gibbs and Timothy Roche obtained what were later called “The Basement Tapes.” They were shot in Harris’s basement and showed footage of the two boys on several occasions, cradling weapons and spewing racial slurs against Jews, Latinos, African Americans and others. Klebold said she didn’t find it odd that her son wore a floor-length leather jacket, as she herself had tried to be different by wearing cowboy boots and moccasins when she attended private school from first to 12th grade.

“The mythology was that they were Nazis and Goths, and it was wrong, and people still believe this is fact, even though there is no evidence to show this was true,” she said. 

Susan Klebold grew up in Ohio with a Jewish father and a Christian mother. She attended a Reform Jewish synagogue and went to church with her grandmother. Her private school had a chapel, which she visited every day. When she was a child, this mixed religious household confused her, and she grappled with her relationship to God and to heaven and hell. She approached a rabbi who “didn’t teach black and white thinking” to discuss the afterlife, and he told her he believed in another chapter after death.

 

As she grew older, her ties to Judaism disintegrated. She hasn’t practiced since she left her childhood home. As a mother, she sometimes recited the Ten Commandments as a moral code, and at other times, she recited, “Now I lay me down to sleep” before bedtime, along with other prayers. Depending on the calendar, the family fused Passover and Easter into one dinner. 

“I was very unstructured about it,” she said of religion. After the Columbine tragedy, she had a fleeting thought that if her son had had a formal religious upbringing, he might not have killed a dozen people and himself.

Religion doesn’t play a prominent role in the book, but when I spoke with Klebold, she touched on Columbine High School’s ignorance of Judaism, describing Columbine as upper middle class, Caucasian and Christian. She also used the words “toxic” and “judgmental.” She said she doesn’t know a single Jewish person in town, and one December, when she tried to buy Hanukkah candles at the grocery store, the clerks looked at her blankly.

To illustrate the religious environment of the area, she mentioned that Franklin Graham, a well-known evangelist, performed the memorial service for the slain children in front of a crowd of 65,000 that included Al Gore, the vice president at that time, who spoke. The video of the memorial reveals a service heavy on Christianity, with church officials and references to Jesus Christ. She isn’t aware of any synagogue in Littleton, and a Google search doesn’t turn up results. Klebold said her son didn’t identify with being Jewish. At one point in the book, he objects, out of embarrassment, to reciting the four questions at a Seder. According to Klebold, he reveals this frustration on “The Basement Tapes.” Then, she said, Eric Harris stops and says, “I didn’t know you were Jewish,” after which Dylan Klebold seems to turn fearful that Harris might target him.

 

“It was a very odd moment,” she said.

After the shootings, Klebold sought solace from the now retired rabbi Steven Foster at Temple Emanuel, in Denver. Her attorney attended his synagogue. She told me she remembered Foster suffering a backlash after saying Kaddish for her son, but Foster doesn’t remember that.

“Ultimately, [his parents] were also victims,” he said. “They didn’t do this, their son did. He was misguided and all of that. I’d do the same thing tomorrow, even if people get angry. I don’t care.”

The community’s belief that Dylan Klebold’s upbringing played a role in his actions frightened his mother. “The governor of Colorado cited parenting as a causal factor in his first public appearance after the shootings. But Tom [her now ex-husband] and I knew exactly what had happened in our home all those years we parented Dylan, and we were equally sure the answer wasn’t there,” she wrote in the book. She continued, “Morality, empathy, ethics — these weren’t one-time lessons, but embedded in everything we did with our kids.”

“I think school shootings bring up good and evil, and people turn to religion because it’s the ultimate disruption of a moral code,” said Solomon.

At the end of our conversation, Klebold acknowledged one’s upbringing as irrelevant to these tragedies and denounced the idea that religion played any role.“

Anyone from any background can have mental issues,” she said.

Klebold says that she used to believe God was watching over her family. But after the shooting, she changed her mind. “[It] made me realize that none of us have any control over anything, really,” she said.

columbinedays:

In writing her memoir, Sue Klebold went through her old journal entries from before and after the shooting. Many of her writings in the weeks leading up to the attack paint the picture of an ordinary, happy family. In an entry dated April 1999, she writes:

We all focused on Dylan to get him ready for the prom. It was so cute. A. came over and we took pictures. Robyn & he left at around 6, and he has a big night ahead.

When Dylan got home late that night, he told his mom he’d had the best night of his life. (x)

racheljoyscott:

After the massacre, Sue and Tom Klebold fought in court multiple times for the clothes Dylan wore during the shooting because the Jefferson County sheriff’s officials would not cooperate.

Jefferson County District Judge, Brooke Jackson, ruled that Jeffco should keep the clothing and most certainly his drawings and writings. The Klebolds then asked the Colorado Court of Appeals to overrule Judge Jackson.

The clothing ‘helps corroborate the identification of Klebold by witnesses’ and plays a small, but important part, for trying to piece together the timeline and details of the massacre. The black trenchcoat was used by Klebold to conceal his weapons as he entered the school. His belt and suspenders were used to carry ammunition. He tucked explosives into his pants. The glove he wore on his left hand had its fingertips cut off to make it easier to handle weapons. Apparently this was crucial for Jeffco to possess for the investigation.

The Klebolds called the purported need for their sons clothing to corroborate witnesses identification an absurdity for ‘there is no one to identify.’

The Klebolds also wanted Jeffco to give them their son’s journals, his math homework, and his “doodling.” 

“They are mostly innocent writings if a teenage boy, including homework and drawings. The crime was not committed with writings but with guns and bullets.” they said in court documents. However in the end, they only were given his clothes. The picture above is the receipt of all the clothing given to the Klebolds.

@racheljoyscott do you happen to have the source for this particular blurb?