do you think dylan would have committed suicide anyways if he hadn’t done the shooting with eric

Maybe his life would’ve turned out fine but maybe not. It’s difficult to say. We just don’t know that ‘Timeline B’ for certain.  One thing is for certain though, the sort of chronic depression Dylan experienced needed to be addressed long-term or else it would’ve kept manifesting itself in whatever life challenge that confronted him.  For example, if Dylan had made it through HS and on to college, there would’ve been a continual new set of problems cropping up for him to deal with.  He could’ve easily, at any point in the future, come to the same conclusion that his life was still not worth living. Good and bad things would happen, as with anyone’s life, that would’ve put his resiliency to the test. Things like failed relationships – perhaps a couple of dates with a girl that he really liked but she broke it off or worse yet, decided to friend-zone him when he had just fallen head-over-heels (and the sex was amazing, well, for him).  Maybe he had issues making friends in college or his first software job was less than satisfactory or he couldn’t get along with a co-worker or boss or maybe layoffs occurred or –whatever external problem presented itself that he found himself struggling with – could have triggered his low sense of self worth, sending him into a deep funk. There too, I tend to think Dylan was genetically prone towards the depression – but with the right therapist and long-term treatment and also the support of friends, he could’ve pulled through.   Dylan simply needed someone close, friend, family or girlfriend, to help him open up and to realize and acknowledge he had a problem so he could begin to deal with it by leaning on their support (which would’ve been hard for him in itself). It’s not something he could’ve just barely managed to continue squeaking by on his own as he had barely scraped by in high school and look how that ended up in ‘Timeline A’?

If Devon liked Dylan why did she date Chris, i mean on 4/20 she posted a picture on Instagram saying she regretted never telling him she loved him, i’m pretty sure it’s Dylan, why did she go with Chris? Did she fall in love with Dyl while dating Chris?

Devon dated Zach Heckler, Dylan’s best friend.  Not sure where you’re getting the name Chris from?  Devon considered Dylan her ‘best friend’ as she had known Dylan longer than Zach.  She posted on Facebook this past 4/20 that she regretted never telling her best friend, Dylan, how much he meant to her, how much she loved him as her best friend and ‘confidant’ on Prom night, April 17th.  Just two and a half days later he went on to commit the massacre with Eric. Devon can not help but think and regret that such a seemingly small act of kindness such as expressing her love and caring for her friend, might have made all the difference in the world in regards to his choice.

who do you think this was about? Dylan or eric? “Wings of the Dope,” in which a protagonist’s deceased boyfriend visits her in the form of an angel. The episode premiered two weeks after the shooting, and the fan who wrote to Judge had been inside the school during it; she credited the episode with helping her allow herself to grieve a friend of hers she was in love with and, during the shooting, decided to finally tell only to find out later that he was one of the shooters”

It was about Dylan see here.

sometimes I wonder if minutes before the shooting started the boys actually thought to themselves if they should go thru with it ? yeah they got up early and did their final preparations but I wonder if they kinda talked about going thru with it and just said fuck it ! It’s judgement day

Nah. The boys were incredibly vested and committed, that this was the day. It was ‘now or never’ and they’d waited, planned and prepared for far too long. The two were at the point where even though the bombs did not go off, they felt it was impossible to cease and desist.

Too much was at stake. Stopping and retreating would be cowardly; they swore openly within the school that they were going to be the ones to not just talk shit about destroying their school but actually make good on their words and do it.  Plus, each had personal desires at stake though both wanted..knew.. it to be their last day on earth. Standing there seconds before by the Southwest entrance was like the two being up at the very top of the roller coaster, just teetering on the edge. There was nowhere to go but down, to see it through to it’s end, whatever fate decided.

How do you think it would’ve affected dylan if one of his close family members- father, mother, brother- died?

Honestly, at that time, Dylan was pretty numbed out.  If any of his family members died in ‘99,  it would’ve been, of course, shocking to a degree, but I think he would’ve mostly numbed himself out even more than he already was. It was his coping mechanism for all the infinite pain he already felt. The grief would’ve expressed elsewhere in addition to everything else he was suppressing, in daily doings and distractions, in drinking a whole lot more.
I tend to think if Byron had died, Dylan would’ve been sort of shoulder- shrugging aloof about his death.  He was anger with his brother and pretended not to care.  His posturing was to be disinterested and indifferent in his older brother’s passing since he felt Bryon had no interest in him and had abandoned him quite a while ago. It was kind of like Bryon already died in his mind, you see?  Dylan shouldered everything alone and and prided himself on his self reliance as a coping mechanism to interrupt his vulnerability and sensitivity which was the source of his pain.  ‘The beauty of being numb’ he once said in his journal. If any of his family members suddenly died, he’d decide it was just another shitty thing about existing in humanity and try to act as though it was just one more thing that no longer mattered on top of all the rest. Their deaths would’ve represented all the good and painful times within his family, and within all his hidden grief, would’ve given Dylan more reason, in a long list of others, to go NBK and take his own life. 

What are your top five favourite quotes from Eric or Dylan?

Only five?  That’s really hard especially where Dyl is concerned.

So, here’s ten for Dyl (and frankly, I could go on and on to infinince….) 😉

“I wanted to love … I wanted
to be happy and ambitious and free & nice & good & ignorant.”

 “Awareness signs the warrant for suffering.” 

“Thought is the most powerful thing that exists — anything conceivable can
be produced, anything & everything is possible, even in your physical world.” 

“A dark time, infinite sadness, I want to find love.” 

“me is a god, a god of sadness”

“I exist as less than
nothing without her. –O. my humanity, –O.”

“The framework of society stands above & below me. The hardest thing to destroy, yet the
weakest thing that exists.”

“Time to die, time to be free, time to love.”


“I’d rather have nothing than be nothing”

“What fun is life without a little death?“

Rebby the juvy..er, Eric   I selected seven quotes for this dude. Pretty nice of me. 😉

“If he leaves them sitting in the front seat of his fucking van out in plain sight and in the middle fucking nowhere on a Fri fucking day night. NATURAL SELECTION. fucker should be shot.

“KILL all retards, people w/ brain fuck ups, drug adics, people cant figure out to use a fucking lighter. GEEEAWD!”

“God damit i’m sick of people saying “wick” when talking about fireworks! Don’ falkin’ say anothuh falkin’ WICK or I’s gone to rip yer falkin’ HAID off and YOU-rinate down yo’ falkin’ neck!! ITS FUSE!

“And dont let me catch you making fun of someone just because they are a different color because i will come in and break your fucking legs with a plastic spoon. i dont care how long it takes! and thats both legs mind you.”

“Fully equiped with 3 eggs, 2 roles of toilet paper, the cheap brand, no pretty flowers. (we were disappointed to)”

“And sorry if i offended you, but, if i did, that means that you are one of the people that i mentioned that i hate, so i guess im not sorry, you asshole.”

“I will sooner die than betray my own thoughts.”

do you know what ‘platform’ dylan used to set up his website?

There is no mention as to what platform or software Dylan used to set-up his website. Back in the day, sites were often manually written or coded in html with a wysiwyg html editor. Some were lucky to afford a more intuitive shell-based wysiwyg software program like Dreamweaver where the coding was done back-end.  I’d say Dylan’s website/s would’ve been manually coded given that he was a computer geek and was probably very clean at the coding. It would’ve been very bare bones, maybe had frames (which would’ve been ‘cool’ back then. lol )  and probably heavy text based with images and basic animated gifs inserted occasionally.  I’m sure his Fantasy Baseball website was very wordy, informational driven with maybe a back-end database interface to it for updated plays.   He did use the OS platform of Windows PC and Linux (running on his Apple).

truecrimejunkie77
Funny you refer to those as platforms; I always referred to them as Web Hosting sites. lol  I’d say likely geocities, maybe angelfire but definitely not AOL. 

Can I ask another question related to my question? So to him it was light and dark, and he was the middle (just to simplify) but does the actual “salems cross” mean the same thing? I know they’re the same symbol, and he changed the name, but did he change the meaning too? I can’t find much on the Internet about that so I thought I would ask a second question! Hope it isn’t bothering you :)

The significance of Dylan’s version of the triple-barred cross was not the same as the traditional Salem Cross symbolic meaning – if that’s what your asking. 

The Cross of Salem has connections to Catholicism as well as Freemasonry.  It’s known as a pontifical cross because it is carried before the Pope, is similar to a patriarchal cross, but with an additional crossbar below the main crossbar, equal in length to the upper crossbar. It is also similar to the Eastern Orthodox Cross.    A version of this type of cross is also linked to Freemasonry.  In Freemasonry, a single-barred cross is known as Passion Cross; with two bars is known as a Patriarchal Cross or Cross of Lorraine and with three bars is known as a Salem Cross.   

 Many of the designs stem from symbols of the Templar Knights (those ever-fashionable standard-bearers of conspiracy theory).  

And no, problem. You’re not bothering me. 🙂  

Have you ever heard of someone getting the salems cross tattoo? Or everlasting contrast… Are they they same concept and just renamed by Dylan or are they actually different? I like idea of the representation and am considering it.

Yes, I know of at least one person on the tag that got the everlasting-contrast triple barred cross in tattoo form. I can’t recall their name though…  Dylan’s concept was originally derived from the Cross of Lorraine but he then added the longer slash bar across the middle while in the midst of cutting, The longer slash represented himself between the polarity of light and dark. The three bar cross is also known as the Salem’s Cross but not to him personally, for Dylan it became known as the Everlasting Contrast symbol.  

I wonder what Dylan would think about a girl that’d commit suicide to be with him (if she’d been thinking about killing herself for years anyway & him just being the reason she doesn’t want to wait any longer). Would he approve of her decision?

I think he’d likely feel badly that you’d add your life to the many lives he’d already had a hand in destroying. His responsibility is already heavy let alone adding more deaths in his name, you know?  You’d honor Dylan best by finding your source of strength from him, in memory of his struggle, to continue to live out the rest of this particular existence in honor of surviving what he couldn’t.  Then when you leave ‘here’, when it’s truly your time, he can pay you a well earned visit. 🙂


https://everlasting-contrast.tumblr.com/post/119920764045/audio_player_iframe/everlasting-contrast/tumblr_n2mm3jmDMx1s05f72?audio_file=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tumblr.com%2Faudio_file%2Feverlasting-contrast%2F119920764045%2Ftumblr_n2mm3jmDMx1s05f72

depressioners:

godofsadness:

Reb and VoDkA give career advice

ssssmmmmart.

Gangsta Boyz:

Dyl: You gotta be smart in this business…

Eric: Yeaheup.

Dyl: damn, fuckin’ smart.

Eric: Ssmaaart-tah.

Is it true Dylan had a foot fetish? What did he say about it? I thought it was just a joke.

nobodiesrb:

everlasting-contrast:

Nope. No joke; you heard right.  And should it really be a joke anyway, I might add?  After all, this is a fairly large fantasy genre for some guys and yet it has an uncomfortable taboo about it for some reason.

As referenced in Dylan’s journal: pg. 26,414 ; 1-20-99

“I’m forever sorry, infinitely, about the pornos. My humanity has a foot fetish & bondage extreme liking. I try to thwart it sometimes to no effect. Yet the masturbation has stopped.”
  

I have a sneaking suspicion that this, here, was the start of it for Dyl. 😉

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The famous vampire goddess foot worship scene between Salma Hayek and Quentin Tarantino in From Dusk ‘Till Dawn. The movie was released in January ‘96 so there’s a possibility that Dylan might have seen it at the theater at the tender age of 14. o.O   Though, he might’ve seen it on video at 15 or 16. In any case, I’m sure he had quite a stirring of feelings, simultaneously turned on but also mixed with confusion over such a blatantly erotic sequence of feet play.  I think this scene made an impression on Dylan and contributed to forming his appreciated tastes which were clearly not exclusively dominant fantasies.

I’ll post this full video sequence in a separate post.

He probably loved this video of Rammstein.

That’s right! In homage to Tarantino, Rammstein reinacted the famous From Dusk Till Dawn Vampiress dance sequence including the foot worship sequence for Engel.