This is in reply to c0atimundi’s comment in the Quirks: Indiosyncrasies of DBK’s: punk gloves which I posted a while back. Based on studying close-ups of their gloves in the death repose shots, I would say that the two most probably shared a pair of thick, heavy weight padded black gloves on 4/20. Looking at Dylan’s signature finger wave in the Morning Ritual video we can make a comparison and definitely say it’s not those gloves since they are more of a knit pair of gloves.  

The clue-in for me was that both have the same exact white cotton padding material oozing out of the finger holes where the gloves were probably hastily cut with a pair of handy scissors just shortly before they left Eric’s house.  I did some searches of images of people that DIY finger cut  heavy-weight style gloves and none seem to show this same type of white cottony material where the cuts were made.   I’d say it’s a good bet that it is one single pair of gloves shared by both for NBK if not a certain type/brand of gloves that they both bought/wore for the day – we just can’t be certain which scenario is the case.  Given how much injuries and bleeding their hands sustained just during their practice shooting at Rampart Range, they probably opted for a heavyweight, thick gloves that could absorb the kick-back shock and spare their hands.  Why cause themselves any unnecessary pain during NBK when the idea was to inflict the pain on others that day? Anyway, just a little observation I made recently and wanted to share for any further thoughts/input. 

Another interesting side note: I also marked an arrow in the death repose shots of the ingenious wrist match strikes the two are wearing in opposite yin/yang mirroring of their dominant hands: Dylan on his right wrist and Eric on his left.  They almost seem symbolically like shared brothers-in-arms silver bracelets. The two invented these tools so they could quickly strike a match and light their incendiaries and pipe bombs effectively.  I believe the FBI was actually impressed because this hadn’t been invented nor used before.  Too bad these clever dudes did what they did and killed themselves, huh?  Sharp, creative, talented minds, what a misplaced waste…

Have you ever contacted Eric or Dylan via EVP? If so, what did they say? If you could visit columbine at night, would you try to contact the spirits of the victims? What would u ask them?

I haven’t captured any EVPs for those two..well, yet. However, I have potential plans to visit CHS this summer by way of a school safety convention. So, naturally yes, the spirit equipment will be traveling with me. 😉 What would I say at night? Hmm, how about an exasperated: “Why the hell are you two still loitering at this shithole since you absolutely hated it in life, let alone death? Don’t you boys have anything better to do?!” ..or a good spirited rendition of “WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING TO MY SISTER’S BIKE??!!” That ought to rouse ‘em! 😉 Seriously though.. I think my preference is to be still in the moment while standing at ‘Ground Zero’ and tuning in to the energetic vibe of the location. So, my line of questions will be impromptu apart from the initial standard opener “who is present that would like to communicate?” Then to listen and wait to see if any of the victims, E & D or both communicate. It’s better to converse naturally rather than remaining in a logical mode with a list of questions in your mind. I find EVP sessions tend to work better this way. Just being receptive and going on instinct with questions that naturally surface from within is when interaction occurs because then it becomes energetically more like a natural human conversation. 🙂

Are you a cohort of E & D? Because I am and I think it is really interesting how kids today are into the 90s. I think part of the Zeitgeist back then contributed to the whole massacre. The late 90s were a very Nihilistic, consumer driven age (not that that has gotten any better) but it was the climax of blissful, remorseless consuming. “I,I,I am Tiger Woods. It was the nineties. Now it´s the twenty-first century and you are either with us or you are against us. Where is your flag?” (Rankine)

Well, aren’t we all? At least, figuratively anyway.. 😉 Yeah, tis true. There is a sort of romanticism about the 90s for those that didn’t sentiently experience what it was like. Everything seems more ‘perfect’ because the grass is always greener on the other side, huh. I think that is a typical thing of younger generations thinking what came before them was better. The decade was a combination of nihilistic cynicism mixed with that illusional sense of promise with all the dot.commers cropping up and then tanking by (the dreaded) Y2K with all those suddenly worthless stock options. Dark tv shows with X-Files and alien obsessions, Millennium or cheesy Xena Warrior Princess. Kids having it all, seeing it all, bored, restless and dissolutioned with what society has to offer them for a future. It was a ripe time for Columbine as you’d said. 1966 had it’s hippies with their love revolution and just flip those two last digits to 1999 and we have the hate revolution with the warrior Indigo children rebelling against the establishment, compliments of R & V.

hey, i was thinking about purchasing Columbine: A True Crime Story by Jeff Kass and i was wondering if you think it a good book and worth the money? thanks :)

In my personal opinion, Columbine: A True Crime Story is the best of the bunch other than ‘No Easy Answers’ by Brooks Brown. Kass’ book has a lot of good factual information plus, unlike Cullen, he interviewed witnesses to support his book. It has excellent background on Dylan’s family origins and parents. A very decent, informative read!

The Everything – April 15, 1997

Dylan further explorers the topic of existence and attempts to define how his life relates to it.

The Transceiver of Everything

“Existence….what a strange word.  He, set out by determination & curiosity, knows no existence, knows nothing relevant to himself.  The petty declarations of others & everything on this world, in this world, he knows the answers to.  Yet they have no purpose to him.  He seeks knowledge of the unthinkable, of the undefineable, of the unknown.  He explores the everything… using his mind, the most powerful tool known to him.  Not a physical barrier blocking the limits of exploration, time thru thought thru dimensions… the everything is his realm.  Yet, the more he thinks, hoping to find answers to his questions, the more come up.  Amazingly, the petty things mean much to him at this time, how he wants to be normal, not this transceiver of the everything.  Then occurring to him, the answer.  How everything is connected yet separate.  By experiencing the petty others’ actions, reactions, emotions, doings, and thoughts, he gets a mental picture of what, in his mind, is a cycle.”

Existence is indeed a strange word.  The word existence comes from the Latin existere or exsistere (ex sistere) which means “stand forth, come out, emerge; appear, be visible, come to light; arise, be produced; turn into.”

Compare Dylan’s statement “He explores (…) through dimensions…” with Heraclitus: “Wisdom is the oneness of mind that guides and permeates all things.”  Assuming Dylan was writing about himself, this quest to seek “knowledge of the unthinkable” is in other words his desire to understand abstract reality. As the language of mathematics shows, some thoughts or ideas cannot be expressed in words, they are in a sense “unthinkable” but nonetheless part of the world around us.

Dylan’s intelligence bothers him.  He is consciously aware how of much more intelligent he is compared to his peers.  But trying to be normal means to act his part by “experiencing the petty others’ actions, reactions, emotions, doings and thoughts.” He immersed himself in human nature, or his view thereof, an expression of his desire to be free of intellectual anxiety.  He wishes to be like most people who do not question the world around them.

The “mental picture of a cycle” that is the result of answers leading to more questions and so forth, has a deeper meaning.  Accompanying his text, Dylan frequently drew what he called a “thought box” and he drew what resembles a mollusk shell that twists clockwise.  One of these drawings includes a note that reads “goes on infinitely” with an arrow pointing inwards.  Dylan probably meant that the cycle refers to the infinite loop of questions and answers.  For example: Why do we go to school?  Because we need an education.  Why do we need an education? Because society needs educated people.  Why does society need educated people?  This line of questioning has neither beginning nor end and could be what Dylan’s inquisitive mind continuously produced.

Dylan’s discovered that we can break out of circular logic, such as “teenagers go to school because society needs skilled workers: society has skilled workers because teenagers go to school”.  When we do, we open up endless new questions and potential answers.  Therefore, we must conclude the unthinkable, namely that the universe is unknowable because we can never answer all questions.

The Hall of Existence

“Existence is a great hall, life is one of the rooms, death is passing thru the doors, & the ever-existent compulsion of everything is the curiosity to keep moving down the hall, thru the doors, exploring rooms, down this never-ending hall.  Questions make answers, answers conceive questions, and at long last he is content." 

People are not primarily driven by hunger, emotion, sleep or sex, but by the curiosity of the mind to explore such things in life. 
"Existence is a great hall,” reminds of Valhalla, the hall of fallen heroes in Nordic mythology.  "Ever-existent compulsion of everything" means the entropy of the universe, the arrow of time, always moving compulsively. 

Concerning “death is passing through the doors”, villian Vigo expressed a similar sentiment in the Hollywood production of Ghostbusters II: “Death is but a door. Time is but a window.”  Perhaps Dylan had watched it too.  The idea of death as a door is also expressed in Christian religion, where St. Peter guards the entrance of heaven.  And people with near-death experiences often describe that they passed through a tunnel towards a bright light (induced by hallucination).  The “never-ending hall”, eternal existence, is also a tunnel. 

This gem of a book can be purchased on Amazon and you will be able to read the rest which includes Eric’s philosophy. I highly recommend it!

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noisprere:

everlasting-contrast:

Dyly-Dallying

I don’t know if someone else commented before than me but I think that is not Dylan. In the video, we can see him dressing a DJ Spooky shirt (yellow): 

… and then we have this shot:

… A light colored shirt and bermuda. (Same, maybe?)

Furthermore, if the guy in your gif were Dylan, why his face is blurred? 
Just a random observation. 🙂

The video tape is edited with a few different clips which were filmed at various different times and all spliced together residing on one VHS videotape.  That’s why Dylan had on his DJ Spooky t-shirt at one point with the time stamp of 4/9/99 and later on, the scene splices to them walking in the parking lot.  Dylan has on a black shirt and there is no time stamp on this clip.  At the very end is a clip of some mysterious house that I’m reeeally curious about. 😉  So, yes the face is blurred out but I do feel that that is most definitely Dylan’s physique and posture and you can also see that famous large chin of his.  In my opinion, this is Dylan and he was mistakenly blurred out.  It happens. After all, this is Jeffco we’re talking about. 😛  

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What started your interest in columbine and why Dylan in particular?

My interest in Columbine pretty much started rather innocently.  My niece informed me she was part of a kind of club called “Rachel’s Challenge”. Y’all might be familiar with that, huh? 😉   We watched “The Untold Story of Rachel Scott” which is the tale of Rachel’s story told from her father’s perspective obviously from a very Christian viewpoint.  Afterwards, my sister referred to ‘those evil boys’ to my niece in her lecture and how spiritually uplifting the documentary was and how spiritually prophetic Rachel must have been. For reasons unknown, I instantaneously knee-jerked an almost, oddly protective stance and said “well, how do we know what the full picture is from their side of the fence, those boys?” ‘Evil’ seemed to be a rather convenient word and at some points in the documentary I nearly gagged at how biasedly evangelistic skewed the story was told.  And from there, I began to do some researching on my own time starting out with the usual one-stop-shop acolumbine website as a first resource. The first thing I did when I got there?  Went right to ‘The Shooters’ pages, and then I hit their journals (naturally!)  I skimmed through Eric’s journal at first and then immediately got sucked into a vortex when I first glimpsed Dylan’s journal.  The last thing I expected to find in a school shooters journal was the mantra-like theme of giant, gloppy hearts and laments and longings for love, happiness and eternal freedom. (Ironically, to me, Dyl always seemed naturally like a free spirit hippy to the core that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. :))   I was also just stunned and captivated by the uniqueness of his journal, the poetic melancholy and longing for something he felt he could never have.  Dylan’s just reads like an old soul.  His intellectual ponderings and semi-formed personal philosophies are like a provocative, enigmatic key into my heart and spirit.  Whenever I read ‘Existences’ for any sort of reference or for no reason in particular at all except to ruminate, I find myself preferring to read from his own scrawling handwriting which changes like a barometer of his mood on any given day.  Each time I go visit Dyl and  tread where that “supernatural force blocks common people from entering”, I get lost within little passages and end up going further than I’d intended.  Time flies by, literally. 😉   I almost always can discover something new that I hadn’t noticed before.  Something that makes me sigh in awe or lament empathically (oh, those ‘Dyl feels’ that speak to so many of us) or even chuckle over the goofy, self-effacing bits of his journal and notebook.   The ‘ponderer’ I become in the God of Sadness’ domain.  

After my ‘introduction’ of sorts to all things Columbine, I sort of drifted away with the usual life stuff going on –  only to find myself redirected back into It, like an arrow pointing right past the Aurora shootings that had just occurred in 2012.   This time, the more I began to wander down the rabbit hole that is/was Columbine, the more it became clear to me that this was an important event of spiritual significance that went waay beyond the one dimension ‘good’ versus ‘evil’ propaganda spin that evangelical religion conveniently like to brand it with.  Like the majority, my sister had bought the simple explanation that the boys could be explained away as simply ‘evil’, ‘crazy’ or flat out ‘psychopaths’ that killed dear, sweet Rachel for her religious beliefs.  But people forget..eradicate the reality that they were human people too  with a story, a past, all their own. They chose to revolt on their own school. Why? Shouldn’t we listen and acknowledge their reasoning? The attention they called to why they’d work so hard to erase their school off the map.  It’s much more complex than deevolving into killing simply because ‘they were evil’.  Columbine evokes human struggle, it rallies to those that feel separate and the illusions of not feeling connected, yet the truth of that matter is, that we all still are, it’s just that some suffer in the exclusivity of society and so we just get broken and lost along the way.  These boys lost the way as many of us do and so, we who choose to really look deeply at Columbine,  see them in ourselves looking back. I realized that what called to me about this event reflected my own life’s journey and the unresolved past issues and baggage within my life that was forgotten yet never fully healed. The boys – one of anger and one of sadness – are a relatable, deep, psychological touchstone for people that find a kind of mirroring with themselves and the struggles in their present or past life.  The injured, damaged ones that have fully understand what it feels like to be bullied, ignored, ostracized, felt injustices or just out-of-sorts with the human world.  It became apparent to me as my studies progressed more that my focus of attention seemed to be honing in with laser sharp magnification on Dylan Klebold. I resisted my plunge into Columbine and this fascination with Dylan at first but then eventually decided to throw caution to the wind and follow my heart – to be open and receptive towards this gravitational pull to explore and discover Dylan fully as a teenage boy, essentially a good person, bright and full of promise, a lost human being – and stripped from the ‘Columbine Killer’ image. Essentially, I am him and he is me – as many of us here feel the same.  He could be anyone of us in that everlasting contrast struggle within us.  So when you ask me why Dylan, that will have to suffice for my reasoning because It resonates deeper than that; I feel it energetically more than I can express it into ineffective human words, I’m afraid! 

i didn’t who to ask, but i was wondering if someone could explain the pictures in the library of both eric’s and dylan’s suicide, why is dylan holding the carbine rifle (eric’s weapon)? and where’s the semi auto handgun (dylan’s)?

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Dylan isn’t holding Eric’s carbine.  The carbine was west of Eric’s foot and right of Dylan’s right knee (as you can see here). Dylan’s (semi-automatic handgun) Tec -9, with a live round still in the chamber, was in his right hand and under his right thigh/knee. It was also attached to a strap with Klebold’s body. Dylan’s double barrel shot gun with a spent shell in each chamber was to the north and west of Dylan’s left toe.  Dylan was left handed and shot himself with his left hand in the left temple.  The police tampered and moved them around to locate and remove any incendiaries, bombs and such so their original fallen positions were disturbed from how they were actuallydiscovered dead (which is a crime in itself!) . You see that the Tec-9 strap was still intertwined with Dylan’s arm/ gloved left hand and the weapon was underneath his right thigh/knee. His right hand seemingly appearing as though it was loosely grasping the weapon.  The cops may even have assumed he was right hand dominant which is why the weapon ended up looking suspiciously as though he was grasping it in that hand. [11K source]

Re: The description of Dylan’s ideal girlfriend. It’s kind of funny how Eric almost completely fits the bill. Except for being on the wild obnoxious side, but he wasn’t party-girl wild or obnoxious (since he was a teenage male, and they have a different brand of wild obnoxiousness that didn’t upset Dylan as much, since he took part in it himself.)

See? Opposites attract in a perfectly imperfect unholy match. A bro love story. Yass.. 😉

Do you think people that murder have any punishment for that in death?? Like it doesn’t sound fair but what do ya think, if you’re interested in such a topic

Once we move on to the spirtual plane, we shed the notions of earthly human judgment and punishment. The spiritual plane is neutral and your existence as a spirit is only about learning from experiences and the choices you make. Everyone that passes on goes through what is known as a “life review”. Think of it like a 360 rapid powerpoint preesntation which flashes instaneously within your spiritual mind: every single experience, feeling, thought, decision you’ve made is flashed within you. You recall and experience that moment as if it were vividly happening to you in a matter of human seconds. Additionally, every single experience, feeling, thought of others you’ve engaged with in your life is also something you personally experience from the other person’s own perspective and vantage point. You see fully how you affected and influenced them, how you made them feel in both positive and negative ways. It’s a multidimentional experience of instant enlightenment of the choices you’ve made for yourself and the cause and effect of having an influence on others life choices. Dylan and Eric, Ted Bundy, Hitler are no exception. They would have all had life reviews along with the rest of us. Dylan and Eric would’ve felt what is was like to be the bullies, the jocks, that bullied in them in school and they also got to feel and experience what it felt like for every single victim of theirs: all the sheer terror, immense fear, pain and suffering they caused the victims by choosing to make such an ignorant, selfish, fear-based choice. They would fully understand it all better having seen the complete picture. The school of your earthly life has come to an end and all the good, loving, horrible and hateful fear-based choices they have made is reflected on and processed by each spirit. From there, they begin the next evolution of their soul’s journey by deciding which set of lessons they would like to experience and process within the spiritual realm. Spirits often go into a state of rest and reflection on their last life, especially if it was a very heavy, karmatic life they led. The only punishment a murderer could experience is the punishment they may feel that they deserve. In other words, they may cross over and prohibit themselves from moving on to the next spirit levels because they are stuck in a state of self generated punishment of their own making because they do not yet forgive themselves or feel worthy enough to ascend yet. So, no, when you pass on and move to the spiritual realms, it is not about punishment for anyone – only about enlightenment, growth, love and forgiveness.

This may be unjust for me to think. I get upset when the public fights about putting memorial crosses for Dylan and Eric. It’s hypocritical. I mourn not only for the victims but the two HUMANS who were driven to the point of killing. Your opinion?

So, you mean to say that you’re upset that memorials/crosses for Dylan and Eric have never been a consideration over the past sixteen years? I think after the wooden crosses were erected right after Columbine happened, it was a very unusual occurence in this country to have the crosses of the perpetrators side-by-side with their own victims. It was almost like an experiment to see how people would react and it was definitely an extreme controversial mix of reactions. The thing about Dylan and Eric is that while the minority of us that know this case well can honor, respect and morn the fact that they were mistreated and this whole horrible thing began with these two being bullied and ostracized, it also ended with Dylan and Eric becoming the very thing they disliked about Columbine. The two morphed into bullies and more importantly, not only bullied and mocked back, they murderered kids. They arbitratrially ended the lives of classmates they didn’t even know and had no personal vendetta against. We also should’nt forget the enormity of their insidious plans since they initially hoped to kill 250-500 students at their school with bombs, some of which would’ve been their own friends. So, while they were initially started out as victims they ended up turning into bullying perpetrators. The Littleton public, America and by extenision the world, only remembers the last insidious course of action these two boys took. In a way, it is an act of internal terrorism of sorts – their rebellion against the school and organized society. Revenge and retailation against students in return for the bullying they received is never going to be seen as something noble or worthy of sympathy. So, realistically, given that, I don’t really expect any tax payer dollars will ever be spent to erect memories for the boys in the future. And I don’t really see this happening for any school shooters or mass murderers no matter how much bullying they may have initially endured.

Don’t get me wrong, on a personal level I understand your frustrations, and I can understand and appreciate what you’re saying. You can relate to their initial suffering so you feel/believe they are worthy of being remembered for the damaged people they became. It would be nice if the world could open its’ eyes and get the bigger picture: that Columbine was/is about all fifteen victims and the circle of/vicious cycle of suffering they shared in. Perhaps it’s a matter of it being up to us, the Columbiners, to be the ones to take the action in putting a memorial in place for the boys, instead of waiting for those that don’t have the enlightenment nor wisdom to do it for us? We would have to be the future to set the example and make a change in consciousness. Can you imagine Columbiners taking a collection to have a memorial constructed for the two in a special location of our choice? 🙂 But the problem is, I think that their memorial would likely be vandalized and destroyed no matter if we – or the public – had one erected. Dylan and Eric sought to leave this place infamously and internal infamy is exactly what they’ve received. In this society that we presently live in, it is very difficult to get people to understand that Dylan and Eric made waves to get the world’s attention for a reason. Instead, school shootings continue with regularity and the blame on Dylan and Eric is compounded. I don’t think the world is ‘there’ yet with understanding their own “monsters” which they’ve had a hand in creating let alone erecting memorials in their memory. It is what it is..for now, anyway. Columbiners have to be the ones to pave the way for the future they hope to see. 🙂