So I was reading your posts, with that calm NIN song in the SCM music player. The song switched to Muse and I jumped. I thought about Dylan. Do you think he could have been interrupted during writing in his journal ? (like, for example his mother entering his room). Did he write at night ?

I have to say, this is an amusing, unsual ask. And sorry to have startled you with the change of track tempos on my blog player. The playlist has since changed and will update every so often. That’s an interesting question though. 🙂 I don’t think Dylan’s own endless song track changes would have stolen him from his journaling reverie. However, his mom or dad knocking on the door, yeah, like any teenager in the midst of private doings in their secret lair, that would’ve annoyed and distracted him while in the midst of scrawling out his emotional ponderings. Yes, I would say he primarily wrote late at night. He’d be reflective and lonely by himself in his room at night, with El Thoughtzo nonstop. Hm, and possibly afternoon on the weekends, right after he just woke up at, like, 1:30 pm.

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weirdtimeweirdlife:

Dylan’s plans to wipe his computer’s hard drive

HA

For that anon who asked about DK wiping his comp.

Dylan is listing the steps taken to run a program “NAUDX’ to kill the, as he puts it, ‘fucking virii’ (multiple virus’) on his computer, then backup files, deleting his hardrive, repartitioning and doing a re-install with a custom setup on partitions and reloading of his programs. HA! = success, it’s fixed!

Delete All Backed

Run NAUDX, kill the Fucking Virii.

Delete all backed up shit.

Backup Remaining Stuff, on portable HD, zipdrive, etc.

Format All drives

Write down all desktop configs, ss, etc.

Repartition drives

Put in 56K modem, put CDrom on Master (2)

Re-Partition Drives, same grouping, ALL 32-Bit

Go to [redacted’s name of computer] machine, or downstairs, get ALL drives for yer shit, put them on floppies.

reinstall win b custom setup

Reload all programs, put Back on HD’s

reset configs

HA!

Where did Dylan and Eric wanna go to college?

Neither really had the desire to go to college because, well, they had a-hem, other plans? 😉 Dylan applied to a few colleges, one that he set his sights on applying for was the University of Arizona in the computer science program and he was accepted. Eric kept up appearances with classmates and gave the pat answer that he was thinking about going to community college, but nah, not really. He did not really envision that for himself at all.

You said you thought Erin B was not Dylan’s type. What make you think that? What do you think Dylan’s girlfriend would look/act like?

Mm..I don’t know, it’s just my hunch? Erin Boortz just seems a tad too california sunshine tan and blonde; she gives off that sort of mainstream vibe with the jean jacket. Then again, Robyn sometimes wore those mainstream ‘90s pollyanna-ish overalls but then again, he only saw her as a friend, so.. I tend to think Dylan didn’t really have a haircolor preference in girls but it seems to me as though he gravitated a bit more to burnettes, various shades – light to dark. I think he liked his girl unpolished looking, not wearing the perfect clothes especially most definitely not status clothes – Hollister or Abcrombie chicks – definitely not. Ecclectic, a bit edgy in dress sometimes, introverted and smart, a sweetness about her, warmth, shy smile.

where was kristeni thiebault when the shooting was going on? was she in the school?

There is only one small paragraph report in the 11K on Kristen and it only describes her going to see Robert Perry at his house after she heard about the incident going down at Columbine from news media. The account on Kristen says nothing about her friendly association with Dylan or Eric nor does it say exactly where she was when the shooting began. It’s..odd.

Why did dylan say to friends that he’d do things with them like around summer of 99 but he knew he was gonna do the massacre? was it just not to attract attention? like he said he’d go with Devon to the movies on April 21 but he knew he was gonna do the massacre, and like people said he was excited about going to college and everything.. why would he say things like that when he knew what was gonna happen?

Dylan didn’t want to disappoint his friends and the people he cared about. He agreed to go to prom with Robyn as a favor to her even though he didn’t really want to go and seeing that it was only a couple of days away from NBK, he could’ve just bowed out, but he didn’t. He made plans to go see The Matrix on Wed, April 21st with Devon Adams and she mentioned they’d also planned to go see the Chemical Brothers live in concert that summer at Red Rocks Amphitheatre. The night of prom, Dylan talked animatedly about wanting to keep in touch with friends in the limo. He asked Nate Dykeman to step outside on prom night to have a smoke with him and they talked about their future career plans and keeping in touch. All of these things he ‘planned’ with his friends, he did as a sort of last ‘goodbye’ favor to them. It was a way to say goodbye without having to say goodbye. He could leave his friends with a little something, a bit of a sense, an illusion, that he would still be there in their future but it was also so he could allow himself to share in that illusion that he wouldn’t be abandoning those he cared about, even though he actually was. His behavior of acting completely fine and happy, of looking to the future even, with friends and family, is common behavior for people about to commit suicide. It’s that sense of relief that they’re resigned, appearing almost carefree because they will no longer have to struggle with life stuff anymore. So, Dylan could be present with his friends in his last days with them and leave them all behind with a sense of good times and future promises ahead.

Additionally, I think it’s pretty much a given that both Dylan and Eric decided to purposefully continue to plan ahead and do things for their future as though they had the full intent to live their future lives. They continued to do mundane activities of their normal teenage lives: working that job up to just a couple of days before the massacre, continuing to do the school work and study for tests and Dylan applying for several colleges- all seamlessly carried out routinely so as not to draw up any red flags in their behavior and to airtight conceal their terminal plans for spring ‘99. I might add that Dylan went to the college to check out dorms with his parents as yet another way of leaving them behind with one of his ungoodbye goodbyes. Dylan painted a picture of promise to mom and dad about their son’s future in Arizona and while there, checking out the campus, he even made a point of scoping out attractive girls and dropping comments to his parents. He wanted to leave them behind with a sense of good future possibilities for their son. Of course, we all know how extremely devastating it was for his parents to reconcile the time they’d just spent with Dylan picking out dorms in Arizona and to somehow, make perverse sense of it all, fresh after the massacre and his death – but to Dylan, he just didn’t want to leave them behind thinking about that grim reality, it would be too difficult. Harmony and pleasant future memories in all things for those he cared about so as not to let anyone down.

Klebold, 17, also left a sporting legacy that puzzled those who knew him as a younger child.

“He was a pitcher and he threw harder than everybody on the team,” said Rich Hoover, a Columbine sophomore who played baseball with Klebold in elementary and middle school. “He used to be pretty good. It was kind of weird when he quit, though. It was just, boom, Dylan’s not playing any more.

“He’s the kind of kid that, when he played, he had to win. Whenever he got pulled from a game, he’d come off and he’d actually cry.”

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I have no idea If you noticed it. When dylan is talking he always making some noise. Did you noticed that? Like “shh”. Or sometimes he is saying first Letter from Word He’s Gonna say next. He’s doing some little pause every time.

everlasting-contrast:

You mean like 15.14 ?   Dylan simply tends to be soft spoken and a little hesitant in his speech. It’s a bit of a shy, timid sort of tendency. 🙂

9:25 9:55

9:13 6:48

In the examples you gave me above from Radioactive Clothing: An awkward, self-conscious Dyl is trying to act and ad lib his way through his lines and you can tell he’s a bit uncomfortable, having trouble coming up with impromptu dialog as easily as Eric. He slightly stutters while formulating his made-up, on-the-fly dialog. At one point, Dyl goofs his lines, swears and they stop the video cam as everyone bursts out laughing. In the first part of Radioactive Clothing while they’re in the car, Dylan has a lot of trouble making stuff up and he’s basically sounding like his awkward self and then at a certain point he sort of, feels his way into the role. You can hear and see Dylan ‘click’ and begin channeling his character as his voice gets low and his dialog tempo is focused and methodical sounding. I imagine he thinks himself as the “Man in Black” in his infamous essay where the Man kills a bunch of preps. It’s a bit like Dyl’s ‘take’ on his alter ego that we get to see here, I think. 😉 The best part, of course, is when Dyl can’t think of anything else to say so he goes “that’s aaalll.” in his deep voice and laughing ensues. lol

The other thing is, that I’ve noticed, Dylan has a habit of stringing his letters/words together like a mid western tends to do at times. For example, in Radioactive Clothing Pt. 2, instead of saying “Let’s Go”, he says “Ss ‘Go.”

Are zack heckler and Devon still together now?

Nope. Devon and Zack broke up early 2000s. They both still live in the surrounding Colorado area and both keep in touch as friends though which is nice. 🙂 

Is zack married? Is Devon married? I know they aren’t married to each other

Devon has a long-term boyfriend but is not married. I do believe Zack is married and is probably having kids in his early 30s.

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Hey pal, what’s your thoughts on the conspiracy theories, or the thoughts that there was more than two shooters? Personally, I think it’s straight forward but how about you?

I tend to read the conspiracy theories, consider them, but ultimately take each with a grain of salt.  Many are just..quite a stretch?  They’re often a bit amusing. 🙂  Honestly though, there are some moments when I’m reading certain accounts in the 11K that make me sort of back the fuck up and reconsider/entertain the possibility of multiple shooters. Granted, many of the students were in shock and so tended to have a distorted recollection of details such as description/color of clothing the shooters wore, hair color/length, height, and who was seen shooting whom.    If there were other TCM peripherally involved like say, Robert Perry, Brian Sargent, Chris Morris or Joe Stair in a kind of “we’re here to support Eric and Dylan’s cause but not to fully participate in Operation Kill and Die” sort of way –  by merely helping E & D prepare ahead of time on the morning of or threaten people with weapons, throw pipe bombs on the day and being a visible part of their gang’s ‘uprising’ against CHS, then how did they manage to sneak off at a certain point, disappear without any of their weapons being discovered, and obtain alibis to cover their tracks?   Still, there are witnesses that seem very certain that some of these guys they saw on the scene were unmistakably not Eric or Dylan. I read a few where students are distinctly describing a kid with an acne crater face, bad teeth, pigeon toed walk (Perry who was described a lot and mistaken for Dylan)  or a kid with bushy eye brows, round face and bowl haircut (Sargent) and I’m just like ‘huh?’  So at times, yeah, I do stand up and take notice.  It’s interesting.. but there’s just not enough dots to connect nor evidence to support it enough. Even with Evan Long’s ‘The Columbine Cause’ documentary.  There are the real out-there scenarios, like Jeffco being behind the whole thing, including the multiple shooters, covering a huge chunk of it up, more people were killed and disappeared and parents told to not talk about it and that Dylan and Eric were groomed to be patsies, those types of theories all borders on  9/11 and Sandy Hook fabrication stuff. It’s just wildly out there. I can entertain it a bit but ultimately just end up shaking my head that it’s a very massive, convoluted plot.  Sometimes, more often than not, a school shooting is simply just that, a school shooting

Eric talks about how he is racist, makes lots of sexist and homophobic comments, and talks about killing anyone that’s mentally handicapped. In your opinion, do you feel like Dylan really held these same views as Eric?

Dylan acted racist at times especially when in Eric or other friends’ company but he wasn’t a racist bigot to the core. When I say this, I’m not trying to negate the fact that he participated in bigotry. It’s just a bit more complex, a little bit of a contradictory combination of a ‘yes’ and ‘no’ in answer to this question.  . First, we need to look at the background of Dylan and where he grew up all of his life.  Suburban Colorado, Littleton more specifically, is a rather homogenized, rampant strip malls amongst neighborhood sprawl consisting of  predominantly conservative, mainstream WASPs.  On top of that, the culture was heavily influenced by Christian churches peppered about with various denominations most especially the ‘born again’ fundamentalist groups.   It’s an ‘inside the box’ type environment which, as a whole, considers the embracing of diversity or difference, as a foreign concept. Having been born and raised in the area, Dylan was already much more of a conditioned product of this isolating, limited environment.  In comparison to Eric who had only lived in the area a few years, Dylan was more culturally indoctrinated in an unconscious sort of way because he primarily interacted mostly with kids and adults of his same culture and race.  Other than the metropolitan Denver area, it’s highly doubtful that gay people lived openly in the suburbs. 

On the other hand, Dylan was brought up by liberal, well-educated parents. Dylan’s parents likely raised their son to embrace equality, to be inclusive and accepting of others who were different or struggling with deficits. At some point, his mother’s career revolved around working with disabled children. I do believe I read somewhere that Dylan had even accompanied her to work on occasion. He was aware that his mom helped challenged children with disabilities. So, there was this kind of mixed-message dichotomous foundation that Dylan grew up with in regards to be exposed to diversity and also being comfortable embracing people different from himself.

Dylan’s parents came to the conclusion that their little boy was intellectually advanced and so pulled him from regular public elementary school into CHIPS, the gifted program, where it was reinforced to him by the educational staff on a regular bases that he was ‘unique’ and ‘special’. But, by middle school years, Dylan was thrust back into the average public middle school which stood out in stark contrast to the sort of distinguished coddling he’d been accustomed to in CHIPS. He was no longer groomed with those subliminal messages of ‘important’ nor was his abilities showcased as they had been before. Dylan eventually got the undercurrent message that he was markedly different in all the wrong ways than his average peers within public school. He must have, somewhere along the line, concluded he was deficient because it was difficult for him to fit in, to be accepted and embraced as part of the acceptable majority. He equated uniqueness with being no more than strange. He was special in that nerdy, awkward, computer geeky loser sort of way. On a visceral level, Dylan felt himself a stranger in a strange land, a ‘minority’ of sorts caught adrift.

In his journal, Dylan observes that everyone knows everyone except he is like an “outkast”. He takes stock of his ineptitudes: “Me looking weird, acting shy, doing badly in any and all sports.” In growing up “gifted”, Dylan was put in the spotlight, showcased as relevant for that promising tuture contribution, yet, from regular public middle school onward to high school, it was a slippery slope of a slowly diminishing, eroding sense of self-worth. “I was made human without the possibility of being human.” or “I’d rather have nothing than be nothing.” His poetry sounds like Pinocchio lamenting that he was made to look like a human boy but was cursed with not actually, truly being human. Outwardly among his peers, Dylan tried to fit in and managed acceptance within the school’s already predetermined social caste cliques; he made it in with the ‘geeks’ as per usual and then within that low-end spectrum of that, the ‘fringe’, those militant or artsy wierdos.  Dylan adapted in his demeanor in any way that would afford him ‘sameness’ with his fringe peers, something he wanted more than anything: to be equal, to be normal, to be included. So, yes, he freely exorcised the usual slang and racial slurs that was / is, unfortunately, the typical crass lingo of middle/high schools.  It’s all too easy to conform to the derogatory in every day conversations with peers:  ‘let’s dub the freshman fags’ or ‘hey, nigger’ or ‘what a fuckin’ retard that star wars geek is.’   It’s the usual rampant teenage dude speak that obviously is still very much a part of school culture today as a way to brandish machismo and ego boost.  So, yes, Dylan went right along with the racial slurs as many do.   For the most part, it almost becomes a sort of mindless adopted language. If you had asked Dylan if he literally meant every single one of those derogatory comments, he’d probably shrug with indifference. It’s just what is senselessly done in High School, and Dylan adapted and conformed with the rest in his struggle to feel worth something in a sea of affluent, often favored, popular students. Even Devon admitted that the racial slurs were an everyday occurrence at Columbine and so she didn’t really see that Eric and Dylan were markedly more prejudice than the next TCMer, or jock or preps. It’s a bit banal like, say, car alarms that are super sensitive and go off for no good reason and so since everyone hears them on a regular basis, who the hell is paying literal attention to the noise? It just happens. Of course, just because it’s a common practice doesn’t make it any less harmful and potentially abusive to those on the receiving end. Dylan was called a fag often and regularly. He calloused over with all those insults with thee solution to externalize and dump the pain, to cast it off on on to someone else the he and his peers deemed of lower status. Anything to fit in – to be the same and not feel deficient.

And then there’s Eric, a kid that had multiple uprooting from several schools like that of revolving door. Each time he started a new school, he was by default, slammed back to the very bottom of that pecking order ‘food chain’.  His lack of height, slight build and his noticeable chest deformity translated into a self-perceived sense of inadequacy, an engrained unconscious sense of feeling physically defective. He was angry at always being the perpetual minority each time in starting as the new school as that‘weird’ outsider. Eric took that self-hatred and turned it around at others, focusing that scrutinizing lense off himself and on to others, the actual ‘minorities’ in his country, the retards, the stupids of the world. He displaced his feelings of unworthiness onto others and leveraged his self-deemed superiority. Eric tinkered with racism, bigotry, sexism, homophobia, neo Nazism ideas – hey, whatever worked – use any means necessary to boost the status from the bottom of the food chain to at least the lower-middle of it. Dylan by himself was one thing but combined with Eric, Dylan easily slipped into the ‘gang or pack mentality’. And if it was Dylan and Eric and maybe someone else like say Chris -all making fun of or threatening the mentally challenged “retard” student, well then, it’d be an even more potent, asserting sense of high. It becomes their gang of self-acceptance against a vulnerable deficient, minority. What better way to make one another feel better about themselves, to boost their egos in their own self perceived deficits than to embrace the same racist, bigoted mindset within the group and reinforce one another in that moment? The more the merrier.

So, there is Dylan as a decent individual, the laid back dude working sound and conversing and collaborating with Alejandra Marsh in theater production. But there is also a naughty, relishing Dylan, the dude that sits there in the Commons with Eric and writes up a list of all the racial slurs they can think of for the Mexican ‘spics’ unbeknownst to Alejandra who was, in fact, Mexican. Dylan and Eric would chat among themselves and make those derogatory jokes about the 1% African American students at their school and how they spoke ignorant ebonics. There is the best of Dylan that has been with his mom at her job and has seen what she does to help the handicapped – there is a core part of him that knows from values instilled that this is correct way to be. There is also the worst of Dylan that hates that fact that he feels himself is forevermore an ostracized minority within Littleton, a deficit, an unworthy nothing, a piece of chewing gum on the underside of a jock’s gym shoe, and so he finds it all too easy to give in. to relish displacing his own sense of unworthiness on to other scapegoats, minorities. There’s Dylan threatening Adam Kyler, a special education student who probably represented as unattractive as Dylan felt about himself, and so he gets his kicks out of intimidating him. Almost anyone will do, and in so doing, boosts his feelings of self-worth and superior ranking. I tend to think that you’ll find a great deal of racism in an exclusive, affluent culture like Littleton which helps to propagate sheltered kids who are not exposed to the diverse world outside their little milk toast world. So, no, while I don’t think Dylan held the exact same intensity of racists beliefs that Eric began to acquire, Dylan definitely did participate in on the racism along with Eric as a means to elevate his self-worth. Dylan acting by himself, was a completely different snapshot.

everlasting-contrast:

I’m reblogging this great post from acolumbineblog and adding to it:

In general, people think of Dylan as just the tall, skinny guy – period.  Just one of those teen boys that eats a ton of food but never gains because of a super high metabolism.  However, if you look closely there is more to it than meets the eye.  I’ve included a sort of “Before” and “After” photo set of Dylan. Showing his physique a year prior and then also the months leading up to 4/20 when he rapidly drops weight likely due to his depression.   The year or so before, his hair is shorter, and you can see his arms are more filled out; his pants fit the line of his legs.  In the spring of 1999, when his hair has grown the longest it’s ever been in the Radioactive Clothing vid, it is pretty noticable that Dylan has lost a fair amount of weight – a whopping 37 lbs – to be exact. His arms resemble thin, bony sticks and his pants are just hanging on him – literally swimming in his jeans.   I wonder whether his parents had noticed the abrupt changes in weight since they did mention that he ”seemed more sad” weeks before the attack. 😦

acolumbineblog

Dylan had lost 37lbs leading up to the Columbine massacre

The BMI put out by the Mayo Clinic and the NHI state:

  • Underweight = <18.5
  • Normal weight = 18.5–24.9
  • Overweight = 25–29.9
  • Obesity = 30 or greater

This suggests that Dylan, who’s BMI would have been about 22-23 in 1997 and viewed as “normal” by a doctor, would have been listed as quite underweight by the time he died. His BMI was about 17.5.
It should be noted that drastic/dramatic weight loss or weight gain are key signs of depression.

Classic reblog.