cool post about dylan’s beaded necklace, i cant believe ive never noticed it. its one of those subtle things that you wont notice after seeing the same pics over and over and over, kinda like how most people didnt spot dylan’s red sox hat in the pic of him and eric dead in the library until someone pointed it out to him (this was the case with me until like a year ago). what were the other 2 items he piled beside him before shooting himself? was the boston hat one of em? thanks

Oh, glad to hear you discovered Dyl’s necklace through my post today! 🙂  

If you look at the post again, I’ve included a snippet from the 11K describing what was in that pile found by his body: a silver pocked watch and his triple barred cross earring. 

Here’s where his Boston Red Sox ball cap ended up. Judging from the amount of blood on it, it would almost seem like he shot himself in the head with the cap on.  Though, it’s a more likely possibility that he left the cap on the floor first, based on what he did with his other personal items, and as he shot himself and fell forward, the hat became blood soaked. 

Quirks: The idiosyncrasies of DBK

Black beaded cloth necklace

Dylan wore this black beaded cloth necklace pretty much all the time, and I’d wager he never took it off even in the shower. There doesn’t appear to be any information from his friends on the origins of his necklace. It seems to hold important personal significance for him and probably in connection to good memories. Sort of a ‘good luck’ juju adornment of sorts. It appears to be homespun, and I get a sense that he fashioned it, probably late elementary school or middle school years. He is visibly wearing the necklace in his 9th to 10th grade class photos. The previous years photos that I’ve come across do not seem to show full length so it’s difficult to pinpoint exactly when he started wearing it. The black beaded cloth necklace was one of the three personal items Dylan removed and placed in a small pile before ending his life.

Opinion on “Columbine” by Dave Cullen?

To give some fair con-crit to this, I’ll start off by saying that I liked the initial setup of the book. I do give kudos to Cullen for painting a really vivid picture of describing what unincorporated Jefferson County is like: the “old” and “new” parts of homogenized suburbia in Littleton. The flavor of the overall culture and specifics sorts of people that live in the community. I felt like I was almost ‘there’ the way he went into descriptive, visual detail. However, once he began to discuss the boys, I was internally having red flags pop up with a ‘huh..what?’ in my mind. This is generally what happens with most people that actually know the case that begin reading this book. It’s Dave Cullen’s “It took me 10 years to write this book” Tour de Force story. Cullen essentially wrote his own interpretational spin of how he sees Eric and Dylan and a goodly portion of it does not mesh with the facts and with people that knew them. Brooks Brown and Chad Laughlin knew Eric and Dylan well and both were pretty much disgusted with the book.

The gimmick of Cullen’s book was designed with the express interest of elevating himself as the definitive myth dispelling source of what actually happened versus what we were spoonfed up to the present day (2009) by media. This way he could launch and market it with the egotistical authority of ‘Hey, folks, ignore everything else you read before because my book is the only No. 1 go-to-source for the “Truth” about Columbine!’ His essential

foundational tactic, of a few, was to say that ‘bullying was not a motive’ and from there, he veered from the actual media interviews and accounts given in the 11k, and began putting his own fictionalized, skewed spin on things to make it fit his tenets. He was known to have not interviewed sources either and just filled in the blanks without consulting with witnesses. Cullen then stamped ‘psychopath’ on the forehead of Eric Harris and ‘depressed follower’ on sidekick, Dylan Klebold, with a cocksure arrogance sum-it-up of ‘hey, people: don’t bother spending anymore time on figuring out why because one kid was simply born to become pathologically evil and the other was

predispositioned

to jump off a cliff when said psycho led him to. Yes, sheep, don’t spend anymore time analyzing the boys because Dave wants us to look no further than his dumbed down, arm chair psychology conclusion.

I also felt a bit jerked around with the disjointed, foreward / backward in time way the story unfolded but I think Cullen was simply trying to be ~artistic~ with the vision of his story telling. 😉 The multitude of reasons of why I disliked Dave Cullen’s Columbine are very concisely referenced here and here.   Also, a phenomenal chapter-by-chapter readers review of the scant few pros but many cons of this book can be found here.

Amanda semm hit Dylan’s car accidentally in jan/feb 99 but dylan said it was ok. Eric was mad, shouting and swearing at her & Amanda thought that Eric’s girlfriend would kick her ass. Which girlfriend was she talking about?

The Merciless and Merciful

Amanda Semm said: “I thought for sure he was gonna send his girlfriend to kick my ass or something.” This is a bit hilarious to me because the use of “or something” implies that Amanda initially didn’t seem to think that hothead Eric was capable of kicking her ass, nope – instead she made this automatic leap of assumption that he surely must have a girlfriend that is taller than herself and that she will kick her ass because, well, Eric just doesn’t seem to appear threatening enough in stature to do so. lol And Dylan? Well, he was too busy being a nice guy, minimizing the accident to help calm her down and put her at ease (plus I’m sure he didn’t want a report filed likely nearing the end of that pesky diversion program). In that moment, E & D were so not on the same page that Amanda didn’t even consider for one moment that Eric’s 6’3 sidekick could be her potential ass kicking threat. 😉 Nope. In her mind, it’s got to be some imagined girlfriend minion of Eric’s that he’ll sic on her for the accident…

fromrussiawithlotoflove:

Hey guys, I’ve found a new picture of Susan Klebold.

She’s now working as a AFSP Colorado Board Secretary. Since Dylan’s death, Sue has worked to raise suicide awareness and support prevention efforts. She has participated in presentations and written about the experience of surviving a loved one’s murder-suicide.  She is a member of the Survivor Council of AFSP and a Board Member of the Suicide Prevention Coalition of Colorado.

His mom has brown eyes. Interesting..
Thanks for the find. 🙂

Sue Klebold, AFSP Colorado Board Secretary
Sue was an instructor and administrator in the Colorado Community College System for more than 20 years, and a project specialist for the Colorado Department of Labor and Employment for five years, before retiring in 2010. Sue has a Masters degree in education and is a survivor of her son’s suicide. She is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of two gunmen in the Columbine High School shootings of April 20, 1999 in Littleton, Colorado. Since Dylan’s death, Sue has worked to raise suicide awareness and support prevention efforts. She has participated in presentations and written about the experience of surviving a loved one’s murder-suicide. She is a member of the Survivor Council of AFSP and a Board Member of the Suicide Prevention Coalition of Colorado.

students and teachers at columbine attest to feelings of being watched, oppressing pain and apprehension, voices and screaming throughout the school (but especially near the library), orbs and even sightings of mysterious figures. Do you think its possible all the spirits are still there? trapped maybe?

Hm..that’s interesting what you’ve mentioned as I’ve not heard of any reports from teachers and students publicly stating they’ve had paranormal ‘haunting’ type experiences such as you describe at Columbine. I’m curious if you have some sources to support what you’ve mentioned? The only person to my knowledge that has experienced having a brush with the paranormal at Columbine was Devon Adams and that is specifically in connection with Dylan. Also, the library was actually dismantled in the late summer to fall of 1999 and turned into a high ceiling atrium above the Commons cafeteria. A new library was built and exists separately from the school.

There is no doubt that the massacre embedded a traumatic, heavy, energetic mark on the building and surrounding location. I suspect that given the intense level of reactive fear combined with the destructive rage associated with the act, there is a residual type energy that periodically repeats itself there almost like an echo from the past. Anything can activate it, and it’s quite possible that just the construction crew renovating and removing the library, the ‘ground zero’ area, was enough to kick up residual activity during ‘99, that students and teachers might have experienced a few things. (Again, I have not heard any such witness accounts so it would be nice to have these types of sources. 🙂 ) The dynamic energy that takes place at the school on a daily basis with all the constant hustle-and-bustle of noisy, productive students milling about their business probably means that very few students are in a still-enough state of mind to hone in or pay attention to the undercurrent of residual activity that is potentially occuring along side them occasionally.

However, it’s my sense that the victims and shooters upon their violent, swift deaths likely crossed over almost immediately to the astral plane. So, in that respect, they are not ‘trapped ghosts’, not still stuck and earthbound, roaming and haunting Columbine. They are all free to return to the school and can choose to visit and spend time in areas where they enjoyed being the most, as is the case with Devon and her bush with Dylan’s spirit in the catwalk area of the theater.

I’m confused as to why investigators wrote off all the data stored on Dylan’s computer as irretrievable. I’m sure it was difficult back in 1999 but with today’s technology it is entirely possible to retrieve data from a hard drive that has been wiped. It’s only impossible if the drive has been literally destroyed, or smashed to smithereens. They should really look into that. Sadly I don’t think JeffCo ever will, but the information stored could be invaluable, more than just porn & IMs…

Fdisking would’ve been the way Dylan wiped his computer, and he probably Fdisked it a couple of times to feel confident that he irradicated his date thoroughly. But even back in 1999, it would’ve still been possible to recover partial, if not all of the data, on Dylan’s computer, and of course by now, we have much easier methods to retrieve wiped data. The only known way to truly destroy content would be to physically destroy and ‘smash the harddrive to smithereens’, as you mentioned. Adam Lanza did just that and even now, I do seem to recall that it has still been possible for the FBI to successfully extract bits of data from Lanza’s seemingly totalled harddrive. I’m sure that Dylan’s drive is still sitting somewhere under lock and key in JeffCo’s evidence possession. It seems a bit odd that JeffCo would not have been tempted, at some point in the last 15 years, to pursue the extraction of data from his computer. They must have looked into it – why wouldn’t they? Then again, JeffCo has been such an infamously massive screw up in this case that they probably like to operate under the notion that the Columbine case is, for all intent and purpose, closed and resolved – ‘good enough for the public for the most part’ is probably their motto. They’re quite happy to not release the Basement Tapes and so even if they actually did recover anything of provocative interest off of Dylan’s drive, they prefer not to make waves and furthermore, believe that the public has mostly forgotten all about Columbine so it won’t occur to us question anything further.

I hear you though, and I agree with you completely. Dylan made a purposeful decision to erase his computer with express intent to hide personal things about himself that were on it. The content of his computer was more important to cover his track on than even his personal journal which he consciously chose to leave behind and risk being publicly scrutinized. I tend to think that the erasing of his porn collection is one of the big reasons – along with personal conversations with friends, associations, and…  ? potential NBK discussion with Eric..and others, like Zack and possibly other TCM members? It could be incriminating stuff to leave behind so Dylan just decided to chuck the entire drive to solve the problem. It amounts to him erasing a big chunk of the inner workings of his brain. We can speculate like crazy and it’s frustrating as hell, especially because of that fact that the ‘lost’ data on his drive is not at all irretrievable by a long shot. The data on his drive is not only invaluable to filling in more blanks to the case and about himself but it’s also, in 2014, low hanging fruit from the tree! :-/

Do you think Dylan and his love will meet and be together in the afterlife? because she probably has a husband and family now so wont she spend the afterlife with him? and then when their kids die, her and her husband and kids will spend the afterlife as a family?

Well, the thing about it is we don’t know if Dylan ever really found his ‘soulmate’ love on the earthplane in ‘99. His journal speaks of many teenage girls he was considering that could potentially be ‘The One’, and he seemed to change his mind a few times, but I think ultimately, he was frustrated because she never came forth the way he hoped. As I’ve said before in another post, Dylan seemed to have melded a few girls he had crushes on into one perfect Muse, something to aspire towards uniting with in his brand of afterlife. In the last couple months, Dylan seemed to let go of the struggle of finding ‘her’ and was now comfortably resigned that ‘The One’ he had hoped to have connected with in humanity was not panning out but rest assured, he had faith that if not now, than later: he would find his love regardless in the halycons or maybe even his next existence. While he’s unsure who ‘she’ is, he is certain he will find her, eventually.

Given all of that, after Dylan died, his crushes continued to live their lives on the earthplane. They would’ve married, maybe divorced and remarried, and had children of their own. They are souls that chose another path from Dylan and they would be fufilling lessons with other souls that is important for their own growth in this lifetime. They are not Dylan’s loves, they never really were, as he only pined for them unrequitedly 15 years ago when they were teenage girls. Once these women complete their lives here and cross over, they might choose to connect with Dyl – just as they might connect with many. many people they’ve known in their lifetime – but ultimately, they have a separate soul journey based on the the lives they lead and completed on the earth. They would likely wait to reunite with those they spent a great deal of time with in their last incarnation such as their husband/s and their children, relatives, deep friendship relationships. People that played a significant role in shaping their lives. So, to answer your question, Dylan might reunite with the spirits of these women he knew as teenagers girls, but this would not be like they are reuniting as destined love in the afterlife. While it’s conceivable that one or two of these girls might even have some sort of unfinished soul work to do with Dylan in the spirit realm, it doesn’t equate as two souls reconnecting as a ‘happily every after.’ Dylan choose to end his life and cut ties with any potential future with these girls. Those girls became women leading longer lives and they chose certain people (spirits) to spend time in their human existence – likely from the same soul family. Their journeys lay along distinctly different paths of learning and growth.

can you be reincarnated but your spirit from your past life still lives on in the after life?

..and the previous two parts to this question:

Reincarnation question about my friend (follow up, I’ll have to send it in 2 questions:))- she says she whats to visit columbine to see if she can get a déjà vu. (We live in canada so were planning on visiting in a few years). She also says she’s had this reoccurring dream since she was little where she’s in a library and she shoots this gun that hits this guy, with glasses & brown/black hair who was hiding behind a chair. She looked at victims and she said it was Kyle Vasquez? (ill carry it on)
reincarnation question 2- and then she shoots this tec 9 gun under the table and she then sees this girl and she starts screaming ‘oh god help me). She looked at a picture of the victims and injured and she said the girl screaming was Valeen Scnurr? and then she looks at her hands and she’s got this ring on, that looks exactly like dylans. (Sorry if I can’t spell the names right), she’s also been depressed and alone.. do you think she could be a reincarnation of Dylan?

First, I would ask what her age was when she began to have this dream, you say ‘little’ so what age specifically? Also, I would ask her if she heard, saw, was exposed to anything regarding Columbine which might have made an impression on her. How often has the reoccuring dream happened in total, based on her present age, and does she still have this dream? Does the dream always play out the same way or a slightly different variation of it? Does it morph into another dream before she wakes up or does she simply wake up after having this reoccuring dream? An interesting thing to note about her recollection of events in the dream is that she relays experiencing Kyle Valsquez hiding behind a chair. It’s been reported by witnesses that Kyle did not hide and was still sitting on the chair as Eric and Dylan entered the library. Kyle didn’t make an attempt to hide which is why Dylan immediately picked him off as an easy first target. You mentioned that your friend is depressed and alone. Has she been studying Columbine a great deal in her depressive state? When did she start to feel this way, how long after the dreams which occured while she was young? Is she still having this reoccuring dream at her present age and what is her present age? Does she experience anything else besides this first person POV dream?

You seem to be asking if a portion of a spirit can simultaneously reincarnate into another human body even after that particular soul has already past on from it’s previous life and crossed over the ‘after life.’ The answer would be no, a soul cannot splinter into segments that populate new incarnations while also existing in the after world. Once the soul leaves the body, transcends the earth plane and crosses over to the after life, it’s purpose is to take stock of the previous incarnation and reflect on what it’s learned in the spirit realm. It is in sort of a ‘resting period’. The reincarnation into a new life is something that is done with careful regard. To immediately knee-jerk reincarnate into another human body so soon after it’s last incarnation would impulsive and meaningless. Also, the fact that your friend is experiencing a replay of the massacre in dream form specifically might mean that she was/is a psychically sensitive child and is picking up and receiving on a kind of ‘open’ channel to experience the residual replay of traumatic events though Dylan. I am curious how soon after Columbine occured that she’d begun to have the dream. Given all of that, I don’t really have a complete picture even though you told me a bit about what she claims to have experienced in dream form. How about you PM off anon and we can talk more? 🙂

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Do you think Dylan would have dated an freshman if she wasn’t too annoying and was cool but very laid back? I heard that Eric had liked a freshman once but the girl’s mother put a stop to it because he was an senior.

The likelihood of Dylan getting to know a freshman girl in class would basically amount to gym class since this was the only class, to my knowledge, that ran the gamut of mixed grade-levels. And, we all know Dyl was not about to schmooze in gym class based on my other post. 😉 However, I don’t think Dylan would’ve consciously made an effort to date a freshman and probably would not be his first choice. Given that Dylan was gifted, I suspect that he’d probably prefer a a girl closer to his age and maturity level. That’s not to say freshman girls aren’t mature or smart – just that Dyl would naturally gravitate towards someone at or a year under his grade level based on him having more opportunity to meet girls of closer age in classes and within his circle of friends. Dyl would need a bit of a challenge with the intelligence too – but not too intimidating mind you, because he would also need to feel at ease. He would need some friendly warmth – a bit of confidence in that girl. As for Eric, I think that dating a freshman girl appealed to him since it would automatically put him in the driver’s seat with the dating. He could take a younger, innocent, insecure girl under his wing and seem automatically mature and impressive around her.